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[quote]Don’t touch sleeper in gambit, it’s fine. It feels like a heavy exotic and that’s what we want our exotic to be. I think the change needs to come with invaders. The reason sleeper is so broken is because of invader perks such as seeing every player, knowing when they are going to peek out. That ability for invaders makes sleeper the way it is. So don’t touch sleeper, touch on the abilities that are making it over used.[/quote] No, the sleepers ability to one shot body with ridiculous aim assist and no damage falloff from range paired with the Invaders ability to see where everyone is at all times that makes it what it is. If it was just the Invaders that were the issue, you'd get killed by things other than sleeper
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  • This makes no sense man

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  • It has everything to do with the invaders ability. The reason it’s so hard to beat is because every time you try to peak to counter or rush him he knows when to charge to kill you. You know what happens to people who run sleeper in crucible? The get triple tapped bc they don’t know when to pre charge, or the get shot gun rushed. It’s an exotic, it feels like an exotic. It took a good amount of time to get, don’t nerf it. It’s just one of those many insane combos that make something OP. Seeing everyone through walls combo’d with any fusion rifle or linear fusion rifle is op. Take away the ability and it changes the game and encountering other guardians entirely.

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  • [quote]It has everything to do with the invaders ability. The reason it’s so hard to beat is because every time you try to peak to counter or rush him he knows when to charge to kill you. You know what happens to people who run sleeper in crucible? The get triple tapped bc they don’t know when to pre charge, or the get shot gun rushed. It’s an exotic, it feels like an exotic. It took a good amount of time to get, don’t nerf it. It’s just one of those many insane combos that make something OP. Seeing everyone through walls combo’d with any fusion rifle or linear fusion rifle is op. Take away the ability and it changes the game and encountering other guardians entirely.[/quote] It doesn't really matter if you know where the enemy is at all times of you can't land your shots. The problem with sleeper is you actively have to try to miss for that to happen. And u can guarantee you, if crucible maps were as big and open as take it maps, you'd see the sleeper in it a lot more

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  • [quote]It has everything to do with the invaders ability. The reason it’s so hard to beat is because every time you try to peak to counter or rush him he knows when to charge to kill you. You know what happens to people who run sleeper in crucible? The get triple tapped bc they don’t know when to pre charge, or the get shot gun rushed. It’s an exotic, it feels like an exotic. It took a good amount of time to get, don’t nerf it. It’s just one of those many insane combos that make something OP. Seeing everyone through walls combo’d with any fusion rifle or linear fusion rifle is op. Take away the ability and it changes the game and encountering other guardians entirely.[/quote] It doesn't really matter if you know where the enemy is at all times of you can't land your shots. The problem with sleeper is you actively have to try to miss for that to happen. And u can guarantee you, if crucible maps were as big and open as take it maps, you'd see the sleeper in it a lot more

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  • Well the maps aren’t that way so we can rule that “what if” out. You’re basically saying sleeper is stronger than seeing through walls. What are you not getting that that combo is op with any fusion or a sniper. That ability would totally take away pre charging sleeper, also don’t run at them head on or stay in the open. It amazes me that you don’t see how seeing through walls doesent make a fusion OP.

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  • [quote]Well the maps aren’t that way so we can rule that “what if” out. You’re basically saying sleeper is stronger than seeing through walls. What are you not getting that that combo is op with any fusion or a sniper. That ability would totally take away pre charging sleeper, also don’t run at them head on or stay in the open. It amazes me that you don’t see how seeing through walls doesent make a fusion OP.[/quote] No, I'm saying seeing through walls itself isn't the problem. What I'm saying is seeing through walls coupled with a weapon that can 1 shot to the body across the entire map with no damage full off and absurd aim assist is the problem

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  • Take away seeing through walls and you get rid of almost all those problems by making them 10x harder. By actually having to predict.

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  • Edited by Kitsune: 10/10/2018 5:14:30 AM
    Your suggestion makes no sense, if you take a moment to think about it rationally. People are saying sleeper is overpowered and you are saying that it is invades that need to be nerfed and not sleeper. If invades are the problem, why is everyone only complaining about sleeper? If you have to change an entire gameplay mechanic, because of a single gun, how can you claim that the gun is not the issue?

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  • The same reason you don’t see it in crucible, seeing through walls makes it so good.

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  • [quote]Take away seeing through walls and you get rid of almost all those problems by making them 10x harder. By actually having to predict.[/quote] It would literally not fix anything. People will still just sit back with a sleeper, because it can still one shot to the body from across the map with absurd aim assist. Are you really unable to see how that's a problem?

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  • Oh my god dude you are missing the point. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Why don’t you see sleeper in crucible but in gambit? You want to nerf it in gambit but not in crucible? It’s killing guardians both times but it’s completely scarce in one activity while highly used in the other. So tell me why this is? (From a killing guardian standpoint)

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  • Edited by Kitsune: 10/10/2018 5:18:20 AM
    Your logic is flawed once again. If no one uses sleeper in crucible and suddenly everyone is using it in gambit. That tells you that the gun is not just considered a generally good gun, but is instead clearly too powerful in gambit. Which is exactly what this post relates too, gambit.

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  • What do you get in gambit that you don’t in crucible... seeing through walls. Guns with a charge time and the ability to see through walls is an absolutely overpowered combo.

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    You sound really stupid lol you’re probably the guy that Invades with sleeper every single match you play

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  • What’s wrong with trying to win? You sound really stupid not using it.

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  • [quote]Oh my god dude you are missing the point. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Why don’t you see sleeper in crucible but in gambit? You want to nerf it in gambit but not in crucible? It’s killing guardians both times but it’s completely scarce in one activity while highly used in the other. So tell me why this is? (From a killing guardian standpoint)[/quote] I've already told you why you don't see it in crucible as much but since you obviously missed that I'll start it again. Crucible maps are much smaller and much less open than Gambit maps, with less long range engagements. The reason Sleeper is so strong in Gambit is because YOU CAN SIT IN THE BACK OF THE MAP AND ONE SHOT PEOPLE TO THE BODY WITH ABSURD AIM ASSIST.

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  • Because you can see them through walls and know where they are to begin with and pre charge... Take that away and now the invader has to actually move. Jesus kid.

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  • [quote]Because you can see them through walls and know where they are to begin with and pre charge... Take that away and now the invader has to actually move. Jesus kid.[/quote] I'm legit starting to wonder if you've actually played Gambit before. Have you seen the maps? Have you seen how large and wide open they are, with an emphasis on wide open? Wide open, meaning great sight lines sitting in the back of the map? I do hope they only make changes to Invaders now, just so you'll realize it was just a part of the problem, not the problem in and of itself

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  • Take away seeing through walls and I would love for them to sit in the back in the lane, my sniper will make quick work of them. They won’t know where I am and when to pre charge. That’s why it’s so good PRE CHARGING A LANE YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS AT. There’s no helping you, you probably don’t have the sleeper and you’re probably that dumb blueberry that peeks those lanes KNOWING HE CAN SEE YOU with a scout thinking you’re gonna change the world and take the invader down.

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  • [quote]Take away seeing through walls and you get rid of almost all those problems by making them 10x harder. By actually having to predict.[/quote] You're hopeless

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