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Edited by Dogcowmd: 9/20/2018 3:23:28 PM
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You read the first part of my reply, but not the second. So here it is again: Try playing with some DIFFERENT weapons and armor. Believe it or not, some of the new stuff is actually pretty good. No need to infuse weapons NEARLY as much as people are doing. Also, as to your exotics (and the others for that matter), all can be repurchased through collections. They scale to 20 below current max light, so this can help save on materials as well.
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  • Edited by faust: 9/20/2018 3:27:21 PM
    It's not your decision to make as to what people play with. If people want to play with the same weapons and gear because they like it better, then they have every right to. If people are not changing their gear around at all then this is an indication that the design team is not creating useful gear with desirable appearances and traits that cater to the different tastes/preferences of the community. This is a fault of the developers not on the people.

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  • You are absolutely right. If you are determined to use only a few different items and nothing else, then it will cost you a LOT of materials. No one will ever “make” you change the way you play. However, having tried the new weapons, I have found that there are many that compete quite favorably with the old. You might find yourself pleasantly surprised and with a larger stockpile of materials.

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  • I agree with the function and utility of newer stuff. There is some nice new gear with cool perks. However, I really dont like the art design for the new titan armor especially. I think it's really dumb looking (although some of it has good perks). The developers refuse to add any sort of transmogrofication to armor, so I feel forced to use gear that I dont like due to poor art design or I can use my current gear that I do like but it costs me all of my resources to level it up. I dont like this and I think its penalizing people who are in the same boat. Its encouraging people to use different things but a lot of people dont like the new things so I think that's why people are upset about the infusion system. The issue here is people are different and have different tastes/preferences. Some people care about the appearance as well as function, some people only care about function, others etc... It's extremely difficult to make something for everyone indeed (d1 did a little bit of a better job of this with armsday and foundries imo). The logical thing to do here would be to follow the footsteps of diablo 3 and allow some sort of transmogrophy. But making it cost more to infuse up your favorite gear is simply not fair in my opinion and I think that's where most people are coming from. If the art team would make something that I really liked better, I would definitely change my gear around. But, especially in the titan armor department, I hate the designs of the new armor so I prefer to use all my old gear and I'm spending all my resources infusing it up. I dont really think it's fair and I dont think i should incur these resource costs because the art team at bungie cant make cool looking titan armor.

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  • Sorry, but it is completely and utterly “fair.” If you want to keep your armor cuz it “looks good,” then go for it man. Burn up those materials and infuse away. The rest of us will use different items until sufficiently high level to infuse a couple of items LATER in the game. Then we will look good, be powerful, and not spend hours grinding materials. Bungie gives us a choice- the difference now is choice matters. If you burn through all of your materials now do you can “look good,” don’t come back and complain later when you don’t have materials to upgrade the ultra-rare piece of gear that you find later. Or when you see the person with fully upgraded and masterworked Raid Set (or equivalent) because he or she SAVED materials for later in the game. The choice is entirely up to you, guardian. But we should not have both, not is a “failure” on the part of Bungie to cater to your individual play style.

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  • Having to decide between looking good now or later is what we fundamentally disagree with though. That shouldnt be a major decision in this open ended genre of game. There should be no increased resource cost for me if I want to look how I want to now (not after the raid, I think the raid gear looks dumb anyway). How does that affect you honestly? Why should players have to decide between looking good now or waiting to look the way they to want later?" What value does this add to the core gameplay experience/progression loop other than frustrating people while giving others a false sense of self-worth because they waited to look the way they want? It's kind of an elitist asshole attitude to be like "Ha! I waited to infuse later screw you! You're not as smart as me rawr!" That's like such a stupid loser attitude honestly. If that's the mentality of this community, have it your way then I'll gladly just walk away from this crap. Having to make a game affecting decision about your appearance doesnt add any real value to the gameplay or progression loop. It just places weight on things that really should be personal preference.

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  • It’s sort of like real life. I may want to drive a good lookin car, wear nice looking clothes, or live in a big beautiful house RIGHT NOW! But, guess what? If I do that, I will need to give something else up or simply do without. I can’t have it ALL RIGHT NIW THE WAY I WANT IT at no material cost. Instead, I have to play the game and work towards the goal. Destiny is like that too- you want all the best-looking most powerful stuff, then you either gotta work for it or do without other things. I like the new system because of that. In the end, I know I got the gear that I like best because I played hard and saved for it, not because I “transmogrified” it into something at no material cost. Like it or not, you choices matter now, guardian. And I for one think that is a good thing.

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  • But this is not real life. It's a video game. Games are important because they're not important (first lesson in game design BTW which I have a minor in). I do in fact drive a nice car, have a nice house, have a job, a wife, and I play real sports. I make these decisions in real life, not a -blam!-ing video game which I play to try and have fun. I dont need to get self worth from a video game forcing me to make important decisions about how my characters armor looks. For all the energy spent creating barriers blocking people from appearing how they want to in a video game, developers could instead add more meaningful activities to the game... if what you're saying is right, then why is diablo 3 so successful (which focuses on emergent behavior, creating variety of meaningful content that is always relevant, and creating more and more choices the player can make and allowing interesting things to happen rather than impeding certain cosmetic choices with artificial grind and resource costs).

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  • But this is a game. I play games to escape reality, not be reminded of it...

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  • Edited by faust: 9/20/2018 4:50:50 PM
    Yeah exactly lol. I have enough struggle and tough decision making in real life and work hard every day. I don't need to be reminded of that in a -blam!-ing video game. I payed my $ for a game that advertises "playing the way you want." Not real life simulator. Whatever happened to just adding more fun things to do to the game so I can enjoy more activities with MY character built how I want him instead of adding artificial impedances to slow my progression down and apparently give people who dont get out much a sense or self worth in a video game?...

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  • Edited by A KOOL POP TART: 9/20/2018 4:54:40 PM
    This. I have projects that cost just about as much as this game does and if something goes wrong my company can get sued and I could lose my job. Talk about a high stress environment.

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  • Yeah man I know how you feel. Between having real responsibilities in my work life, big $$$ engineering contracts, balancing my time between house maintenance, marriage, and endangering my own life as an ametuer bike racer, I have real struggles to deal with. Video games and destiny for a long time has been sort of a way for me to get away from it all and just have fun in my own weird sort of way. It seems like maybe things in this game are getting a little too serious for me bro I guess I'll stick to "donkey kong" LMFAO.

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  • Go play Donkey Kong then. Clearly Destiny is not the game for you. You are supposed to “become” Legend, not “be handed out” Legend.

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  • Go run the Last wish with a side-arm, sniper, and grenade launcher. Also run it with armor that has perks unrelated to any of those such as unflinching rifles, faster reloads for rocket launchers, and other such non-sense. That's your idea since you think you should use whatever the game gives you rather than infusion. The point of the game is to make a build. A specific build for a specific purpose. You're acting like all people do is run strikes and patrol content, the stuff where equipment doesn't matter. You can literally just run a strike using nothing but bows. It's not challenging. The moment you get to Nightfalls or the raid, you want tailored options. You want specific loadouts. The system currently in place does not support this, or it costs far too much to do this. Everyone who is raiding with loadouts got all their supplies by dismantling the troves of year 1 gear they had, including myself. We haven't had to worry about cores because of our stockpiles. All new players are running into a huge problem of not being end-game ready due to these infusion restrictions. Sure, they might be able to hit 540 light, but it's with absolute JUNK because they can't infuse it into the stuff that actually matters. No one will want them in the group if they're using bows, fusions, side-arms, or anything else that doesn't pertain to the encounter nor do enough DPS to compensate. That's the problem. No one cares about running strikes, patrols, flashpoints, gambit, or crucible--all the stuff where power doesn't matter. Everyone uses whatever on those because it's not hard, or again, power doesn't matter.

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  • I’m not advocating to NEVER infuse; rather to wait until necessary for the end-game content like you are describing. I actually do not disagree with you, except that not EVERY item you get is “garbage;” but I get your point. My comments are directed at the folks sitting around 500 light complaining that they ran out of materials already from infusing Y1 armor and weapons.

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  • Hey kid, you just blow in from stupid town? That was a really dumb argument you made right there and you should feel ashamed.

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  • Get on his level! He is an elite destiny guardian and a legend! Go play your sissy Donkey Kong while he dominates you with his raid armor and his superior video game skills!!! "BvVVT I hate your face!" "I'm a destiny legend I was thinking of getting metal legs in real life by the way!".

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  • Edited by More Power: 9/20/2018 3:27:50 PM
    [quote] some of the new stuff is actually pretty good. [/quote] I read all of your post. I experiment with everything new that drops just to see if (always hoping) it's useful. I like the bows, but nearly every other "new" gun falls short. I gave up my old armor during the first day of the DLC.

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  • Edited by Dogcowmd: 9/20/2018 3:42:51 PM
    There are many weapons that are very similar to the ones you currently like. Sleepless is similar to Sins with the right perks. Several full-auto Shottie’s, both energy and kinetic, several high impact hand cannons that can get the explosive round perk like Better Devils. Sorry, but I’m going to have to disagree with you on this one...

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  • I've gotten exactly one Sleepless. I moved it to my secondary character. I keep an arc and solar Sins of the Past mostly upgraded (when I can) on my main. I've gotten a half dozen Dukes, but they are way less fun to use and don't have the range, RoF, magazine, reload speed or aim assist of my Better Devils. The gun has to be fun/effective to use, or I move on. I now recycle every Duke I get without a second thought, and scrounge to get my Y1 BD upgraded. I've given up on shotguns. Just no cores for them given how situational shotguns really are. Besides, the Y2 versions I've experimented with are painful to use. Imagine using one of them (or a Duke) in a room full of Taken Psions. Between the slow RoF, shallow magazines, agonizingly slow reload speeds and short range, you'd wind up with standing room only in just a few seconds. I put most of my year one armor in the vault. I'll upgrade it all - eventually.... months from now.

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