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Josh Hamrick provided additional details for how Sleeper will be tuned: [quote] As mentioned yesterday, our goal for Sleeper is to make it AN (awesome) option but not the only option. At this time we are committed to retaining Sleeper’s full power and will be tweaking its ease of use instead by reducing its generous Aim Assist values. This means Sleeper will remain just as effective in PvE while requiring slightly more skill to use in PvP. Assuming you’re good enough to land your shots, you’ll see no difference in behavior. We don’t expect drastic behaviorial differences from this change but we also don’t feel it’s that far off. We’d rather ease in tweaks like these. We can always push on it more in the future if it’s still deemed necessary Thank you. ❤️ Sandbox[/quote]
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  • Edited by Dabosaurous: 9/21/2018 9:30:26 PM
    Omfg I didn’t spend a day getting a gun to have it nerfed all because people too lazy to do the quest wanna cry.

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  • I’m too lazy to do the quest right now and I think this fix is fine. What next are people gonna complain that swords are overpowered? Oh wait they already did that and now compared to D1 swords are almost useless.

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  • Wiekszego idiotyzmu niz sleeper trudno szukac, ta bron calkowicie niszczy rozgrywke w gambicie. Moze tak wreszcie łaskawie cos z tym zrobicie!

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  • https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/09/20/at-my-current-pace-ill-have-every-destiny-2-forsaken-exotic-in-1400-hours/

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  • Edited by Dredgen Hatter-3: 9/21/2018 8:12:38 PM
    OK, there needs to be some positive vibes here. You know what, I apologize for our gaming community and what people yell out at you guys. There are people out there that may know a bit and give good criticism, but there is also a crazy ton of people that give very shallow and unhelpful words. Ya'll work hard. I'm in UX myself, and I'm a part of fielding through community comments with our own system in my company. I really applaud you all for the amazing and thankless work you guys put in to look through comments like these, look online at famous streamers, gaming statistics, and so many different avenues to try and bring the game to its right place. To your UX team, customer experience, developer team, and all you hard workers there thanks for making a game that has such an involved community.

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  • There isn’t enough positive feedback in these forums I swear. No I don’t think Bungie (or Square Enix) is the greatest game company out there but they’ve really improved from the release of Destiny 2 and people who give simple comments like “Bungie you suck” without reason (even a dumb one) are customers that aren’t worth listening to. If there’s anything I’ve learned about balance changes from other shooter games there’s no need to make a drastic tweak to Sleeper or even another one until seeing how this one pans out. PS. I ❤️ Sparrow Racing.

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  • Yup no one is perfect but I agree with you they have been doing a good job about it (I’m in product so we source feedback often as well)

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  • This didn’t solve anything.

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  • IMO annoying and powerful shouldn’t mean it deserves a nerf. Yeah it’s a little annoying getting killed immediately without time to react but just play smart. Stop killing shit when an invader comes in and play defense.

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  • My group all have Sleeper and we use the gear to find more heavy ammo. So we usually have at least 10 heavy ammo each. We just save it for the bosses. Fire warlock lays buff down and then hunter tethers and we all just Sleeper and it's dead in like 15-20 seconds.

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  • Only while playing Gambit you only get 1 heavy per match. Instead of tweeking the exotic. Majority would rather have you add 1 heavy than messing with the sleeper stimulant. But if you feel the need too otherwise nerf sleeper. I'm hoping your prepared for the backlash your going too cause

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  • Edited by EF Snake Eyes: 9/21/2018 6:30:48 PM
    Sandbox need advice from players that are all day in-game, not from casual players or haters or people that need attention. May be they are influenced for a youtube video, streamer and come here to post about something that do not have idea what it is or play one match and say yea sleeper is overpowered and they do not even have one. ❤ Thanks 🙂

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  • Ah, if only other game companies could listen to this advice. 👏😌

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  • Having played even more matches, I still firmly believe this will not be enough. I use Queenbreaker and it was still absolutely no match for Sleeper.

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  • I...I don't think you're using it correctly. You don't body with it, you headshot with it, and you do it with combat sights. Every time I square off against a sleeper I win. You need to practice with queenbreaker. Sleeper's aim assist is ridiculous. Every. Damn. Time. I'd outgun a sleeper.

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  • Buff Queenbreaker’s

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  • Edited by FL00FING AB0UT: 9/21/2018 1:43:41 PM
    I can agree with that. If targeting on Queenbreaker (and other weapons) were buffed, I’d say leave Sleeper alone.

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  • Edited by Quickword-: 9/22/2018 4:09:50 PM
    Buff targeting on other weapons, that’s a good one. 🤡

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  • This fixes nothing on pc everyone has damn good aim already remove the ability to see everyone on the enemy team

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  • Repeat 1M Times: DO NOT NERF Sleeper in PVE in ANY WAY !!!!!! It is unique and special It would be better to have it blocked from Gambit rather than kill one of the best guns in the game... Every time people get killed by the same weapon to much for whatever reason by the PvP little wieners everything starts going south for PVE players. We already have the almost immediate TTK and slide shotguns all over the place again... PvP players can feel like they are all bad ass again... and there are plenty of other guys to go nerf happy on for PVP that would not affect PVE... (a particular pulse rifle that starts with a b for example) And the people complaining about it probably haven’t even completed the quest line to get it. This goes back to separating tuning for PvP from PVE. I guess this still a severe limitation...

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  • I completely agree with disabling the gun. It's not just 1 shot on players, but a group of 4 Sleeper on the boss melt them in less than 30 seconds if done right

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  • Just nerf Forsaken and be done with it....smh

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  • Tell me ‘bout that third seed now.

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  • Edited by Crota bin Oryx: 9/21/2018 1:36:11 PM
    You guys have no idea how to solve problems in your game. It's just been 2 weeks since DLC launch and you are back to your old selves. No wonder the player base always disappear after first few month of your launches. I now wish this title was owned by someone more capable than Bungie. My solution to the sleeper problem was simple. Just equip my own sleeper and go after the other team. That's how you play PvP!

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  • That's how you effectively get a weapon nerfed or just ruin the game.

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