Josh Hamrick provided additional details for how Sleeper will be tuned:
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As mentioned yesterday, our goal for Sleeper is to make it AN (awesome) option but not the only option. At this time we are committed to retaining Sleeper’s full power and will be tweaking its ease of use instead by reducing its generous Aim Assist values.
This means Sleeper will remain just as effective in PvE while requiring slightly more skill to use in PvP. Assuming you’re good enough to land your shots, you’ll see no difference in behavior.
We don’t expect drastic behaviorial differences from this change but we also don’t feel it’s that far off. We’d rather ease in tweaks like these.
We can always push on it more in the future if it’s still deemed necessary
Thank you.
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Good show. Will this also affect its effective hitscan capability though? Time will tell...
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I mean lowering aim assist seems really good, I would still then suggest creating a secondary nerf only in PvP l balance for things that will not affect PvE. Thorn used to be amazing but it was a killer in PvP for sure, but the nerfs made its use then only PvP because why have such a. Weak PvE burn? Hopefully you’ll keep looking forward with this.
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Why not make other weapons more powerful?
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So other, OHK bodyshot with high aim assist weapons?
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Sure, so we can all body shot with Whisper lol
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Why don't you just replace it with Edge Transit. I'm not sure that I've managed to collect them all five times yet... On each character.
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I was actually hoping to sell some edge transits. Got a few extra lying around... 🙄
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Initially, I thought they were meant to be disposable and that you were supposed to throw them away after each use. Then I realized I was just plain lucky.
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Edited by sk8rjason: 9/19/2018 3:05:01 AMFunny how no where in all that is it mentioned that the Sleeper now only holds 2 in the mag. 2 weeks and Sleeper gets nerfed because of Gambit, but nothing when crucible was Graviton and Vigilance Wing. Absolutely ridiculous. Edit:3 months of GL and VW.
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Pretty sure it was uodated to 3 in the mag. Besides, it may be the "same weapon" but it's in a new version of the game. Exact comparisons are mute points. Every exotic is different from its D1 counterpart in some way.
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It was 3 until today's update, now it's back down to 2.
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I dunno what you’re smoking bro but I just used it and it’s definitely 3 in the mag
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In Iron Banana it's only loading 2 in the mag.
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Really?! What's next? Bring Truth back but remove tracking?
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Edited by gruntv8: 9/19/2018 3:05:16 AMDefinitely didn’t need to be changed all the crybabies just need to be better at the game every weapon is viable it’s just that sleeper is great for boss damage, snipers rocket and grenade launchers can counter the sleeper very easily and are also good for boss damage now people will start using whisper more and insta wiping teams then it will get nerfed and so on and so forth needs aren’t the answer getting good is the only answer And to all those saying something about skill nothing in this game requires skill absolutely nothing
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*crutch alert!*
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Edited by gruntv8: 9/19/2018 10:16:50 PMIt’s not a crutch weapon you don’t need it to win
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It's a crutch when it's leaned on heavily
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Mentally challenged person alert
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You're a fool, it is far and away the dominant weapon with no equal. Balance the game, it's a major aspect of any modern online game. Get a reality check noob
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Buff malfeasance 🔫 before time release: make it a 3tap headshot landing 3 consecutive shots causes projectiles to have a delayed explosion not 5. Just a request
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How about NO. EVERYONE has access to the weapon, therefore EVERYONE is on a level playing field. You cannot possibly think that making changes based on people complaining about something LITERALLY EVERYONE has access to is a viable option. I die to it, I kill people with it. Jesus.
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The problem is when that doesn't work, they will "tweak" something else and 5 tweaks later it's out of gambit and in your vault. Just lock it out of Gambit, solved, no need for tweaking.
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I was afraid of what was going to happen at first but this change sounds ok. Just as long as the damage doesnt get nerfed for PvE enemies I'm pretty sure 99% of us will be ok with this change.
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They aren’t changing the damage output, just the aim assist values.