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Edited by Tidal4ce: 8/31/2018 6:05:26 PM
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An open letter regarding crucible bans/restrictions.

"Effective September 4, 2018, we will apply more restrictions and bans to player accounts that benefitted from opponent disconnects at a highly abnormal frequency throughout Season 3 with our improved detection methods. This will include “voluntary” disconnects when players are repeatedly matching against the same opponents." Bungie, this is a game populated by teenagers, young adults, and frustrated middle aged men/women. Punishing anyone for this whilst making no attempts to interfere, object, declare, warn or otherwise reprimand individuals as it was GOING ON but secretly monitoring the situation? Who exactly are you protecting here? I never cheesed, I never arranged to fix matches, but y'know what, there was this one time where a guy begged me for his seventh win. We'd spent two or three weekends together grinding trials. By fluke a week later we got into the same match. My team was good, but we'd been getting our butts kicked so often that we had no wins. I offered to let him take the seventh match. Rather than throwing 5 rounds in a row we went to orbit. We felt good, even proud of taking the high road cause hey, it was just a game. How is that situation any different than a bunch of people exploiting your system to socially agree to do something much similar? People were frustrated, upset, insulted, degraded, teased, taunted, and peer-pressured into doing this. If you think this isn't the case you, my friend, are wrong. I think you need to have interrupted, intervened or otherwise made contact with individuals while it was going on. You needed to do more, at the time to prevent the spread of this instead of punishing people after the fact. I could not give a crap if someone is top crucible player because of this. Going forward, yes, please ban, suspend, disrupt and punish people but not retro-actively! Some people are going to slip through the cracks. Some people are going to be incorrectly identified. All because of ONE weapon. So those who got away with it might do it again, those who didn't regretfully blacklisted for something they took as a casual prank. You think professional streamers cheesed it? You better believe they did. This issue stretches to your culture, your social spaces, and a lack of prevention. I blame Bungie for this mess and they are incorrectly identifying themselves are judge, jury and executioner. They are not the victim and I am not the victim. The people who got sucked into the culture of it got victimized. For crying out loud one of the largest PC/LFG Discord's with something like 50,000 people had a dedicated cheese LFG. The culture of weapon attainment stretches back to D1, and the level of social ridicule people endured, social pressure, and elitism is appalling by all accounts. I mean the greater question is: How can carries free/paid ever be deemed an offense worth a banning? Should we avoid grouping together for fear that the repercussions will be delayed and so heartbreaking I should avoid participating in any social event? If someone is hacking, or DDoS attacking shouldn't that be more important? Great way to bring it all out into the open, I believe this resembles entrapment and not a crime. I really mean it. This is intended as an open letter, and I hope that you (reader) will take the opportunity to share your thoughts on the situation. This is a polarizing conversation, and I really can't stress enough the type of harm Bungie might be doing to the community by taking this after-the-fact approach. Thank you for your time. -Tidal4ce

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  • Edited by Super68: 9/1/2018 12:17:50 PM
    This "queue dodging" issue is interesting, and the first I have heard of it. I didn't go for Redrix at all but do have an opinion so I'll share it below: I believe there is culpability on both sides of the issue. Players that were repeatedly engaged in this activity KNEW they were "manipulating" the system to obtain the weapon without even having to play a single crucible match. While someone may call this a cheese, it's hardly like "cheesing the bridge" in Crota in D1 in order to solo the activity. In this case, players were getting the reward WITHOUT even playing the game activity. Surely they at least could have strongly suspected Bungie would frown on this, especially since a gun like Redrix was put in the game to appease PVP streamers and elitists with a weapon that very few players could obtain. It was meant to exclaim a Bungie PR statement that "DESTINY COMP PVP IS HARD!" But Bungie could also be accused of a form of "entrapment" as well. When less than 1% of a player population can legitimately obtain the weapon due to the EXTREME difficulty of the activity, you are [u]begging[/u] cheaters to manipulate the system. Which is why Bungie needs DIFFICULT, but still reasonable challenges to obtain the best rewards, not INSANELY difficult challenges. I think they learned this with the changes to the Broadsword, which while time consuming (and probably overly grindy), will be obtainable to those that want to put in the sweat and effort legitimately. TL;DR: Players shouldn't expect to be rewarded for not playing the activity at all. The fact that a punishment could be coming should not be a surprise. Bungie should know that they will most certainly invite cheating if the difficultly to obtain a reward is unreasonable for the overwhelming vast majority of the player base.

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