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This "queue dodging" issue is interesting, and the first I have heard of it. I didn't go for Redrix at all but do have an opinion so I'll share it below: I believe there is culpability on both sides of the issue. Players that were repeatedly engaged in this activity KNEW they were "manipulating" the system to obtain the weapon without even having to play a single crucible match. While someone may call this a cheese, it's hardly like "cheesing the bridge" in Crota in D1 in order to solo the activity. In this case, players were getting the reward WITHOUT even playing the game activity. Surely they at least could have strongly suspected Bungie would frown on this, especially since a gun like Redrix was put in the game to appease PVP streamers and elitists with a weapon that very few players could obtain. It was meant to exclaim a Bungie PR statement that "DESTINY COMP PVP IS HARD!" But Bungie could also be accused of a form of "entrapment" as well. When less than 1% of a player population can legitimately obtain the weapon due to the EXTREME difficulty of the activity, you are [u]begging[/u] cheaters to manipulate the system. Which is why Bungie needs DIFFICULT, but still reasonable challenges to obtain the best rewards, not INSANELY difficult challenges. I think they learned this with the changes to the Broadsword, which while time consuming (and probably overly grindy), will be obtainable to those that want to put in the sweat and effort legitimately. TL;DR: Players shouldn't expect to be rewarded for not playing the activity at all. The fact that a punishment could be coming should not be a surprise. Bungie should know that they will most certainly invite cheating if the difficultly to obtain a reward is unreasonable for the overwhelming vast majority of the player base.
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  • I guess I’m still in the dark here. How did people obtain the claymore without playing comp? Are you referring to paid carries or account recoveries?

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  • I read down the thread to find out myself. "Queue Dodging" is basically two teams that do certain things to get matched against each other and then reach a gentlemen's agreement where they alternate backing out of matches to grant the other team a free win.

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  • Yeah I found the explanation. Thank you for replying, though!

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  • [Quote]So! I run a very successful D2 PC clan. Most of the players that play often have been playing D1 and love talking shop. So I'll hear something and before long someone will admit that they've done some exploit and explain it to me. The most effective way to queue-dodge or get the weapon was make contact with someone offering, or through the D2 PC LFG Discord. Once you do that they'll pool 8 people together, have them host a virtual private network, like hamachi, and monitor when packets are communicated to each team. In theory, you just leave right when it matches you, before flying to orbit, one team stays at orbit and the other spawns into an empty match receiving a win. This process is done until both teams receive the claymore. The best part is only the fireteam leaders need to be really doing anything. Most people just leave and do other things lol. Now some issues that can occur! Auto-queue (aka the no-dodge queue). For redrix, limited to no consequences. For every mistake you'll likely encounter there is much more success to be had. Basically you're locked in so fast you can't even figure out what's going on. For a trials match hilariously enough, this could wipe a ticket. I know of one individual who wanted the flawless ticket, and on his seventh game was auto-locked into playing. Ouch! Hope that clarifies the most common and least harmful way people got Redrix Claymore this Season![/quote]

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  • [quote]This "queue dodging" issue is interesting, and the first I have heard of it. I didn't go for Redrix at all but do have an opinion so I'll share it below: I believe there is culpability on both sides of the issue. Players that were repeatedly engaged in this activity KNEW they were "manipulating" the system to obtain the weapon without even having to play a single crucible match. While someone may call this a cheese, it's hardly like "cheesing the bridge" in Crota in D1 in order to solo the activity. In this case, players were getting the reward WITHOUT even playing the game activity. Surely they at least could have strongly suspected Bungie would frown on this, especially since a gun like Redrix was put in the game to appease PVP streamers and elitists with a weapon that very few players could obtain. It was meant to exclaim a Bungie PR statement that "DESTINY COMP PVP IS HARD!" But Bungie could also be accused of a form of "entrapment" as well. When less than 1% of a player population can legitimately obtain the weapon due to the EXTREME difficulty of the activity, you are [u]begging[/u] cheaters to manipulate the system. Which is why Bungie needs DIFFICULT, but still reasonable challenges to obtain the best rewards, not INSANELY difficult challenges. I think they learned this with the changes to the Broadsword, which while time consuming (and probably overly grindy), will be obtainable to those that want to put in the sweat and effort legitimately. TL;DR: Players shouldn't expect to be rewarded for not playing the activity at all. The fact that a punishment could be coming should not be a surprise. Bungie should know that they will most certainly invite cheating if the difficultly to obtain a reward is unreasonable for the overwhelming vast majority of the player base.[/quote] Thanks for the reply! Not enough of these.

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