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It’s a way to try and stop a shooting without looking at banning guns out right. If it stops even a single shooting it’s totally worth it to. Even if it doesn’t it’s worth a try. As for your friend who you say could die from being scanned (don’t get that) if that’s true then an alternative will be available for him. One of those wand things probably.
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  • [quote]It’s a way to try and stop a shooting without looking at banning guns out right. If it stops even a single shooting it’s totally worth it to. Even if it doesn’t it’s worth a try. [/quote] Taking away rights is never the answer. It's a slippery slope. And if a kid is intent on shooting up a school, a metal detector and some rent a cops aren't going to stop him.

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  • Those same kids seemed so happy to take away everyone else’s rights to own firearms. I say -blam!- them.

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  • Edited by KDA420: 6/7/2018 5:42:22 PM
    What right is that breaking and yes you can prevent it by putting up obstacles like metal detectors or banning guns totally. I’ve said it before I’m just glad some Americans have the sense to push for these measures

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  • [quote]What right is that breaking and yes you can prevent it by putting up obstacles like metal detectors or banning guns totally.[/quote] Right to privacy. Also, it's no coincidence that most, if not all, of the school shootings lately were in [i]gun free zones.[/i] [quote]I’ve said it before I’m just glad some Americans have the sense to push for these measures[/quote] If you're pushing for the suppression of rights, then you're part of the problem. Rather than banning guns or forcing clear backpacks, maybe try learning [i]why[/i] there is an increase in shootings? Maybe try keeping a closer eye on kids and their behavior? When I was in school, the teachers knew who the bullies were, who the bullied were, and kept an eye out. They were unlikely to say, pair up a bully with someone he was known to pick on for an assignment. They actually investigated incidents and punished the responsible party, not just following a policy where both students get in trouble, even when did absolutely nothing. Today's schools are really helpless to punish kids anymore thanks to over bearing parents and new regulations.

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  • [quote]Right to privacy.[/quote] Where is this fabled right to privacy? Where can it be found? [quote]Also, it's no coincidence that most, if not all, of the school shootings lately were in [i]gun free zones.[/i][/quote] Do you have any idea why these gun free zones were established? [quote]If you're pushing for the suppression of rights, then you're part of the problem.[/quote] Again, what rights are being suppressed? [quote]Rather than banning guns or forcing clear backpacks, maybe try learning [i]why[/i] there is an increase in shootings? Maybe try keeping a closer eye on kids and their behavior?[/quote] That would take years of study. Having guns on campuses is a HUGE safety issue and a liability.

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  • Edited by Dragoon4290: 6/8/2018 8:13:04 PM
    [quote][quote]Right to privacy.[/quote] Where is this fabled right to privacy? Where can it be found?[/quote] The 4th Amendment. Ever heard of it? [quote]If you're pushing for the suppression of rights, then you're part of the problem.[/quote] Again, what rights are being suppressed?[/quote] https://www.youthrights.org/issues/student-rights/search-and-seizure/ Here's some literature so you can learn about your rights. Learn them and protect them. [quote]Rather than banning guns or forcing clear backpacks, maybe try learning [i]why[/i] there is an increase in shootings? Maybe try keeping a closer eye on kids and their behavior?[/quote] That would take years of study. Having guns on campuses is a HUGE safety issue and a liability.[/quote] So let's just forego basic rights? Doesn't work like that. It's a slippery slope and will work against you sooner rather than later. Do you not know your history? I guess not because you're gung-ho on repeating it...smh

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  • Edited by Gladlin: 6/9/2018 1:28:05 AM
    [quote][b]1.[/b] The 4th Amendment. Ever heard of it? If you're pushing for the suppression of rights, then you're part of the problem. [b]2.[/b] https://www.youthrights.org/issues/student-rights/search-and-seizure/ Here's some literature so you can learn about your rights. Learn them and protect them. Rather than banning guns or forcing clear backpacks, maybe try learning [i]why[/i] there is an increase in shootings? Maybe try keeping a closer eye on kids and their behavior? [b]3.[/b] So let's just forego basic rights? Doesn't work like that. It's a slippery slope and will work against you sooner rather than later. Do you not know your history? I guess not because you're gung-ho on repeating it...smh[/quote] 1. I am familiar with the 4th. It protects against unreasonable search and seizure. A back pack inspection is not a 4th Amendment issue, because the search is reasonable in order to prevent guns from entering the school. If such searches were unconstitutional, then airports would have gotten rid of their checks a long time ago. 2. This organization does not include a single lawyer in its research group! As a matter of fact, not a single person in the “Who we are” page has a law degree! Why would anyone take legal advice from someone who never studied law? In any case, the group does specifically state that your reasonable expectation to privacy on school grounds is diminished because you are considered to be out in public. If you want real legal advice, talk to an attorney, not some child who’s bitching because they got bored with their homework. 3. I have a BA in History, yeah, I know quite a bit about history. American, European, and Middle Eastern. I also minored in Criminal Justice, currently work at a prosecutor’s office, and serve on the research and policy development committee at the office. So tell me, what history you think it is I am trying to repeat?

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  • 1. The law isn’t infallible. You can’t make the claim “well if it was wrong the law would reflect that”. Keep in mind we had slavery in this country and Jim Crow laws. Neither of which you’d say were constitutional I’d hope.

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  • [quote]1. The law isn’t infallible. You can’t make the claim “well if it was wrong the law would reflect that”. Keep in mind we had slavery in this country and Jim Crow laws. Neither of which you’d say were constitutional I’d hope.[/quote] Until 6 December 1865, yeah, slavery was constitutional. That which is not forbidden is permitted.

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  • >missing my point by this much.

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  • If your point was that laws are not infallible, no kidding. Anything made by human beings is bound to have imperfections. What I was telling Dragoon was that the 4th Amendment only protects from searches that are deemed unreasonable. “Unreasonable” is the key phrase. Very few people consider metal detectors in school to be unreasonable. Lower US Courts have already ruled that they are not, so it is unlikely to reach the Supreme Court.

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  • If that's a rights violation then sue the airports 🤷‍♂️ If you want the right to keep arms accept searches where guns are not allowed, simple. It will save children's lives so honestly I don't care how violated you feel, get over it. 😂

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  • Is keeping the right to bear arms REALLY more important than our children?

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  • Remember what happened in:*Soviet Union, WW2 Germany, China, NK, Turkey, Uganda, Guatemala, Cambodia* No? Figured you didn’t.

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  • I do not recall an out right appeal of the Second Amendment. What did I miss?

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  • Each of those countries banned weapons sales to minority groups and then committed genocide against them. Fun fact: the biggest mass shooting in American history was when the government tried to take the guns away from Native Americans. Ironic on so many levels it would take a novel to explain it all.

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  • And yet there are other nations in Europe that have successfully implemented a straight gun ban, and yet there are no genocides.

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  • That’s debatable.

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  • Really? The French government is committed genocide against its people? Germany? Spain? UK? How about in Australia or New Zealand? Now some of these countries do not have bans, but they do have very restrictive firearm ownership laws.

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  • [quote]Really? The French government is committed genocide against its people? Germany? Spain? UK? How about in Australia or New Zealand? Now some of these countries do not have bans, but they do have very restrictive firearm ownership laws.[/quote] Considering how most of those countries’ immigration policies are I’d say they’re passively committing genocide.

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  • [quote][quote]Really? The French government is committed genocide against its people? Germany? Spain? UK? How about in Australia or New Zealand? Now some of these countries do not have bans, but they do have very restrictive firearm ownership laws.[/quote] Considering how most of those countries’ immigration policies are I’d say they’re passively committing genocide.[/quote] How so?

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  • By outbreeding their own people for immigrants so they can have cheap labor.

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  • That is not genocide.

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  • Oh so killing off a certain race because of its race and economic ability ISNT genocide? Noted. Guess the Holocaust also wasn’t genocide.

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  • [quote]Oh so killing off a certain race because of its race and economic ability ISNT genocide? Noted. *Guess the Holocaust also wasn’t genocide.[/quote] None of the countries I listed is killing off anyone based on their race or economic ability. *False equivalence is false.

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