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Dude the Hardcore ARE the ones crying about the pointless grind! This is exactly what I kept saying. Just because some idiotic streamers have been saying "Bring the grind back" does not in any way shape or form represent what people actually wanted! So what do they actually want (not thatBungie will listen given they think streamers hold the answers sheesh!) 1. More Black Spindle style quests and side quests. Hidden within strikes and missions. 2. Strike specific loot mechanics like those settled on in D1 i.e. you can grind for keys to chests and then GUARANTEE a price of strike specific loot from the strike of your choice when you use a key on the end of strike boss chest! Only RNG is which piece of loot you get from the strike specific loot pool for that strike, NOT whether you get a piece at all! 3. Special quests and loot based on the daily mission mechanic. 4. Exotic bounties tied to vendor reputation. 5. Exotic quests tied to faction level. 6. The life exotic on exotic armour to introduce sets and set mechanics. I'm betting the asshats at the conference mention none of these things and instead plug their "exclusive hype content"
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  • Grinding for a key is no different then grinding for the loot itself...

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  • The difference was that you chose when to use your keys. You could hoard your keys and you basically get to choose which loot you go for and in which strikes. So the grind mechanic was/is (because it's there for you to try and test in D1) very different from running a strike for a chance to get something and often times getting nothing at all. You basically can grind for keys and have a high chance of getting a key at the end of a strike. Once you have the key you can choose to use it immediately or hold on to it and play a strike who's loot you actually want! The difference in a nut shell is that control is in the players hand. If you want to collect 50 keys then spam a strike to get it's loot then you can. Want to open the chests when the key drops then you can do that too. Want to run some strike lists for bounties or fun, then you will be getting keys while you do that too. You don't have to spam a nightfall, not get anything then wait 4 weeks for another RNG session.

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  • Edited by Nox Lumina: 4/17/2018 8:12:18 PM
    Blaming streamers still. Aight, lul.

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  • Edited by Radical_Romgan: 4/17/2018 6:56:48 PM
    Life exotic on exotic armour would ruin the point of having exotics....are you deluded? Or is it because you want to "look pretty" Although some of the other points are good

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  • You may be ridiculously out of touch... or plain delusional. Either or really.

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  • I don't know how I feel about the key thing...rng on a key drop that's also rng on a chest...i think they even made it to where you HAD to have a key at some point. It should be an rng drop like usual except be able to use keys to guarantee yourself something.

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  • And PLEASE, stop requiring fireteams to complete the quests! I have enough personal interaction at work, I don't need to be forced to make friends at the end of a long day.

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  • Then why are playing Destiny? Its a pseudo MMO, and MMOs usually involve you playing with others?

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  • Edited by Inocrof: 4/17/2018 5:15:52 PM
    Destiny has never been.. Nor will it ever be.. Any type of mmo.. It has been a loot shooter with shared instances.. A vast portion of Destiny was made up of people who preferred to play solo.. It’s why a lot of us stopped playing this game.. The nightfall’s..Raids.. Every chance Destiny had they threw in artificial barriers to force full teams... Plates plates plates everywhere....

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  • Its a pseudo MMO. MMOs have shared instances its called raids, dungeons, trials, pvp arena, etc. Just because it doesn't have a massive instance of a patrol zone doesn't mean it isn't heavily influenced by MMOs. Destiny raids? Inspired by MMOs. Weekly lockouts? MMOs. Strikes? They are exactly like MMO dungeons. MMOs also have solo activities like story missions but the vast majority of content is designed around playing with others. That is what Destiny is designed around as well. Its a PSUEDO-MMO. Even MMO websites before D2's release were covering the game. GEEE I WONDER WHY?????

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  • A knock off mmo minus the massive.. The game was more like Diablo than it was World of Warcraft.. The game will absolutely fail making everything group only.. Oh.. It is failing...

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  • Then according to you Destiny 1 failed, because the vast majority of activities required you to do them with other players, whether matchmade or not. Destiny is a combination of an MMO and something like Borderlands. Now lets talk about the real issue. More of the activities should have matchmaking TIED to them so that way solo players or players that don't have friends on ATM can do these activities.

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  • The best memories are of solo flawless runs and spending hours perfecting some aspect of the game to conquer.. Challange of elders solo.. Defeating truly difficult things alone was great.. Try getting a group to stick around at calus for 5 hours trying different tactics.. Good luck..

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  • Edited by Inocrof: 4/17/2018 5:43:58 PM
    Did you play the first destiny? Nightfalls were just fine for solo players.. Loved the return to orbit mechanic.. Crota raid.. Soloable.. Atheon.. Even Oryx.. Now we have number checks in every single encounter.. Boringggg You’re missing my point.. I’ve done all raids from day 1 of Destiny and every other challenge they could throw my way with a group.. But I also had the CHOICE to go it alone.. Something Destiny 2 took away...

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  • You solo’d VoG? You went Flawless Solo? Just because you like to try those things(crota,Poe, NF) solo doesn’t mean Destiny catered to the solo player. They didn’t start doing that until TTK where the vendors started handing out max light gear. Sorry but you’re way off base with Destiny being made for the lone wolf. It was definitely not....

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  • Edited by Inocrof: 4/18/2018 5:06:24 PM
    No one said it was? But it also had Minimal artificial barriers to stop people from trying things solo.. Crotas end Challange of elders Atheon Court of oryx Oryx himself That place in earth patrol after Roi All of those were soloable if you so chose.. They didn’t have 4 plates to stand on to block progress.. And yes my flawless came from doing Crotas end... Tried dozens of times always dying to something like crota fake kneeling and then face punching me.. Ended up getting it when I wasn’t trying to get it..

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  • Cheers!

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  • Speak for yourself god roll fakebringer kept me playing for two years.

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  • lol

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  • Fatebringer was a static roll, not a 'god roll'......

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  • Fatebringer itself is a god roll and static roll. Best PvE roll you could have on a hand cannon

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  • Pre range nerf imago loop with outlaw, rifled barrel, firefly was even better

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  • What do you need rifled barrel for? lol

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  • Edited by Shatterday: 4/18/2018 6:44:40 AM
    I know, that's the point my man. I've gone on about this plenty of times. Trying to explain it isn't the 'god roll' people chase, it's the addiction to RNG. The best versions of the weapons in D1, were static rolled. When they left y1 behind, people chased weapons in that archetype to get as close as you could to the static roll, hence imago loop, aka fatebringer 2.0. Just as an example. The purpose was to get a legendary version close as possible without the obvious exotic perks it came with, that way you could use certain exotics and you could use any kinda combination. Bungie told everyone ( that was around at the time ) that they were going to let every archetype have its moment to shine. That's why the META changed frequently. That's what created the artificial grind for the 'god roll'. You combine the Forge and the Mod system, along with some basic RNG...they have the formula in place. It's all about execution on Bungie's part. They are in a tight spot...they have to make the decision of alientating complete groups ( MMO, RPG, FPS, Looter Shooter etc ). 1 or more of these groups will be pissed ( rightfully ) and leave. It's all up to how Bungie plays it out. To make it clear, I don't agree with 80% of what Bungie has done with this franchise. I see the problem, but all I have is this keyboard and some words on a dried up forum. Only thing I can do is explain why they do things, in the hopes to stop the hating, and generally help people understand the why, so we can move on to the how.

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  • FaKebringer imago loop ltr.

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