they kicked the one guy out of the group project that was actually doing the work and now they bitching about getting an F

i belive the term dumpster fire is more accurate as thats what activision is throwing their money into because sales of dlc and d3 are gonna take a big hit after d2, i have not see salt this thick since battlefront

Yep, we've been had. The jokes on us I guess. Lesson learned and not one of my euro's will end up in bungies pockets, ever again.

Pretty sure myself and others have been saying this almost since D1 dropped - the amount of cut content is inexcusably obscene. The scope of things, had Bungie not F'd it up, would have been truly epic and Destiny would've gone down as one of the greatest masterpieces of all time (in gaming). but NOPE, Harold had to be a complete idiot and tell Joe to re-write 5 years of work inside what, 8-12 months? And then Activision had to screw with Marty directly (and ultimately Harold fired him) and just yeah... oh how i weep for what Destiny could and should have been. Probably would've put both Mass Effect and Borderlands to absolute shame, but nope.

Joes not coming back. Hes moved on to bigger and better things, and bungies dead anyway. [i]fyi, he left on his own after years worth of his work was rejected. He knew this ship was going to sink and was right to leave.[/i]

Destiny 1 and how it was treated is absolutely the reason for any mess, why Destiny 1 sucked, and why if there is anything, or everything wrong with Destiny 2, it has to do with Destiny 1. Destiny 1 was a Frankenstein hack job that did nothing of what was promised in E3. The only people who now like Destiny 1 are the people who paid hostage money and were blackmailed to pay triple the cost for an ordinary game. Those people who like Destiny 1 now come crying about Destiny 2, which is actually doing only the things wrong that Destiny 1 already has. And yes, they complain because they suddenly realize, especially if they came late to the game, that Destiny 2 is Destiny 1 all over again. This is not about game play. Destiny1 and 2 were always shallow games, with all intelligent lore left for you to figure out online...out of game...from you tube videos. But people were looking for a shallow, jumper shooter, puzzle making game that who the hell cared if it make sense at all....as long as they could do it in fire teams of 6 and feel good about accomplishments. They wanted to grind without care or thought endlessly for 1% or less chance drops so they could feel that if they spend hours on the game, it made them awesome. This is what people were looking for. This is what Activision games were about. This is why paying sick prices for celebrity voice overs in D1, and some of it in D2, was stupid. People just want to slam the hammer with team mates and see if they hit the bell. And they want to get a cereal box prize for every 100 swings, that maybe gets them something they can rub in other people's faces so they can think they are better than them. Where it's all gone wrong is trying to make this game pretend it is something else, like deep in any way. It's not. It wasn't ever meant to be. This game is about slamming a button over and over again and that is what people who play Destiny like. So give it to them.

[quote]It finally makes way more sense the live teams were able to put together rise of iron. Sound clips, cutscenes, the entire Plaguelands and archons forge, it’s hard to believe but it seems much of the actual content here was already developed for the most part, and it makes far more sense that the live team didn’t develop it, they were stitching back together what was once a really great suit, and now patched and horrible looking with the wrong pieces in the wrong places.[/quote] That is [i]exactly[/i] what Bungie has done to this franchise. [quote]Makes you wonder, maybe all this mix and matching of coding and constant modification to the progression is also where all the glitches came from. All the atrocious issues with the progression itself, requiring revamps a few times in the originals life span.[/quote] I wouldn't put it past the "Frankenstein method" to be responsible for the glitches made, but no matter what, bugs will always crawl in and need to be squashed. [quote]I feel like the whole leadership team at Bungie is responsible for this mess because they let it happen, Joe was a tremendous part of the team and I thought developers who worked with each other over a decade weren’t just friends but family.[/quote] First off, Joe Staten quit Bungie. I can understand his frustration with spending so much time and effort on a Supercut, which is close to a final rough draft, only to be denied it's direction. The fact that it took that long to notice the game was "too campy and linear" goes to show how much attention the executives were giving. I'm sure if this direction was corrected in advance, Joe Staten would've continued on with the project with the necessary changes. Who knows how the game would've turned out...? [quote]While the project was Bungies, if this guy helped create progression AND lore and plot and character development, it seems like it was more of his thing then anyone else's.[/quote] He had his hand in everything. That's the director's job. As creative as he is, he can't do it all by himself, and with his Supercut being "too campy and linear", well, that proves his direction wasn't going the way [i]anyone[/i] would really want a game like Destiny to go. Funny thing is, with Bungie changing the direction for D1 by altering Ghost, it made the game very campy IMO. People can argue about who the better voice actor is between Dinklage and North, but no matter who gets the role, it's all about the [i]direction[/i] in which the action is going. The original Ghost was a sincere unit made of Light and Machinery; an extension of the Traveler, and a loyal guide for the respective Guardian it resurrected. Ghost wasn't cracking all these jokes left and right in D1 Y1, and that personality difference allowed the audience to not only take it sincerely, but to see the perspective of an AI unit that was highly inquisitive about how life worked on Earth, and perhaps asking key questions to our Guardian that made the player think and wonder how universal things are. It's not just about shooting aliens; it's about discovering connections and understanding intentions. The Lore is filled with these things, and sadly it's the most sincere pieces of this game that isn't flooded with humor from a "little light" that has no experience being human. End rant lol [quote]Technically, the EDZ is on Earth and Earth was a destination in the original. Save for a color palette change, one could easily mistake Nessus or Io for Venus although that may be a bit more unlikely, it’s still quite possible.[/quote] The EDZ [i]was[/i] originally part of D1, as well as a DLC involving Mars and a Raid... Could've definitely been the Leviathan. [quote]Time taken to develop D2 isn’t indicative that the content we got was due to hard vigorous work through the development time. horrendously modifying pasted content from previous ideas [b]DOESNT WORK[/b][/quote] I agree. It may seem strange, however, that I personally favor Rise of Iron to be the final chapter in D1. I do think that Oryx cannot be topped, as he is probably the baddest MOFO around, [b]BUT[/b] TTK didn't end the game well enough for me in terms of a strong finish. ROI gave us the Age of Triumph, which isn't just a glorified menu tab with tasks and rewards, but an actual achievement for humanity after the collapse and pushing back threats further than ever. That's the kind of ending we needed for D1, where we got acknowledged for becoming Legend, and thus, became an Iron Lord. Wrath of the Machine is my favorite Raid, so I'm biased here, but let's face it: WOTM was a solid raid, and if thought about Lore-wise, made sense to receive a threat that came back to bite us in the ass, having the story return full circle, and of course in the end, [i]we win[/i] :-) [quote]at this point Bungie you can keep your updates, I feel only Joe Staten can save this game[/quote] I think it's gonna take more than just Joe Staten to fix this franchise. It's gonna take more experienced people who can make smarter decisions than to make a deal with Activision, for one. Secondly, these experienced people will also be able to spot misguided directions in their game early on as well as negotiate a more realistic time frame in making a game. The Halo formula of making a game every 3 years worked for them [i]then[/i], but to make a hybrid shooter/mmorpg - I think- requires more time, especially if never attempted before. Although I feel this game would benefit by following a more traditional MMO, I wouldn't go to the extreme with that notion either. Balance has always been the major issue with Bungie. They make extreme decisions rather than just take steps. D1's improvements seemed that's how they were headed. Boy were we wrong. Lol

Yeah, the red flags are EVERYWHERE in hindsight. All the way back to Bungie trying to strong-arm and screw -blam!-ing MARTY O'DONNELL into doing extra work, presumably for free. How do you try to -blam!-ing piss off and screw over not only one for your most senior employees, but also one who was pretty much the heart and soul of the music that your company is KNOWN for in their -blam!-ing works. That's like if the executives behind LOTR tried bullying Peter Jackson in the middle of making the -blam!-ing Hobbit. Bungie has continued to shit on their very own, in-house talent and forced more and more people core to their company, out of it. There are just SOOOO many warning signs we all ignored and missed all this time, and it's probably all due to the very work of those people still being used and re-hashed after their leaving the company, making everything seem just fine without them... But I think Bungie is ruining out of content and ideas that either belonged to D1 or were conceived for it.

Not buying D3 until MONTHS after its release. I'll let all the other idiots play first so this time I can see the flaws first hand, then choose whether or not it is worth my money or time.

Sequels equal more money than DLCs. It’s alllllll about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Bungie’s mission statement: make as much money as possible in the least amount of time while putting in the least amount of effort.

It's really interesting how such a tiny team Bungie used as an excuse in D1 for certain things put an expansion together that outweighs the entire D2. Especially knowing people claim Luke created ROI knowing he was pulled in the beginning of Ttk to go work on D2. So tell me something people. How does a tiny team put 3 freaking studios to shame working on a sequel?