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2/24/2018 2:07:14 AM
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So basically do absolutely everything [i]except[/i] ban the guns. The NRA will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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Because the nra sells guns? Ok
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The NRA are basically a lobby group for gun manufacturers. They get a large proportion of their money from gun industry donations.
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And members like myself and many others that give money to them. They want to preserve our constitution. Get rid of the second amendment and the rest of them will be gone
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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1/amp
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2nd amendment isn't going to change, ever.
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I wasn’t suggesting banning all guns. Just the ones designed to kill lots of people quickly. The 2nd amendment just says people have the right to bear arms. It doesn’t specify what arms those are. You can ban assault rifles for example and still have the “right to bear arms”. Those arms would just be limited to other weapons not designed to kill lots of people - bolt action hunting rifles for example. The government already banned the sale of fully automatic assault rifles. It’s also illegal to own chemical and biological weapons or bombs. What’s the difference in banning those and banning assault weapons?
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My problem with banning any weapon lies in the idea that if they have it so should we. I don’t own a single gun but I also don’t think banning is the right solution. Yes I am a conspiracy theorist
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A AR-15 isnt not a assault rifle. I have a plain brown hunting rifle that i van put a 30 magazine in and still do the same if needed. A decent shot can do just as much damage with a pistol in a close quarters environment, provided they have a couple of extra magazines.
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[quote]I wasn’t suggesting banning all guns. Just the ones designed to kill lots of people quickly. The 2nd amendment just says people have the right to bear arms. It doesn’t specify what arms those are. You can ban assault rifles for example and still have the “right to bear arms”. Those arms would just be limited to other weapons not designed to kill lots of people - bolt action hunting rifles for example. The government already banned the sale of fully automatic assault rifles. It’s also illegal to own chemical and biological weapons or bombs. What’s the difference in banning those and banning assault weapons?[/quote] You can still make deadly bombs from cleaning supplies and fertilizer. Most guns deaths you liberals senationalize are actually from hand guns. They're more easily consealable and easier to maintain. Ever see an average Joe try to fire a fully auto rifle with only 1 hand? Yeah, good luck hitting anything but the sky.
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Edited by Uncanny_Vale: 2/24/2018 6:13:22 AM[quote]You can still make deadly bombs from cleaning supplies and fertilizer.[/quote] Yes and it’s illegal to do so. What’s your point? Are you saying we shouldn’t ban bombs (or machine guns) just because someone could illegally manufacture them? [quote]Most guns deaths you liberals senationalize are actually from hand guns.[/quote] The Florida shooting and the Las Vegas shooting (biggest in U.S history) both used AR-15’s didn’t they?
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[quote][quote]You can still make deadly bombs from cleaning supplies and fertilizer.[/quote] Yes and it’s illegal to do so. What’s your point? Are you saying we shouldn’t ban bombs (or machine guns) just because someone could illegally manufacture them? [quote]Most guns deaths you liberals senationalize are actually from hand guns.[/quote] The Florida shooting and the Las Vegas shooting (biggest in U.S history) both used AR-15’s didn’t they?[/quote] I'm saying people will turn to alternatives if their needs aren't met. We need to snuff this out at the source, mental health, and not at the symptom, then weapon of choice. What you can every other liberal is suggesting is that you put a band aid on a bullet wound instead of combat gauze and a Israeli bandage. What do those 2 things have to do with what I said?
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[quote]We need to snuff this out at the source, mental health, and not at the symptom, then weapon of choice. [/quote] And why can’t we do both? I would add that laws preventing people with mental health diagnoses wouldn’t have prevented the Florida shooting, the Las Vegas shooting, Columbine, Sandy Hook etc. None of those shooters had been diagnosed with mental illnesses. [quote]What do those 2 things have to do with what I said?[/quote] I’m highlighting the double standard. Your average gun rights advocate doesn’t seem to have any problem with the government banning bombs, chemical/biological weapons, nuclear weapons, rocket launchers etc. but they get all upset when you try and ban assault rifles. How is the banning of those weapons (bombs etc) not a violation of the second amendment as well? Surely it’s every citizens constitutional right to own whatever weapon they like right? Explain to me how the banning of bombs is okay but the banning of assault rifles isn’t.
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[quote][quote]We need to snuff this out at the source, mental health, and not at the symptom, then weapon of choice. [/quote] And why can’t we do both? I would add that laws preventing people with mental health diagnoses wouldn’t have prevented the Florida shooting, the Las Vegas shooting, Columbine, Sandy Hook etc. None of those shooters had been diagnosed with mental illnesses. [quote]What do those 2 things have to do with what I said?[/quote] I’m highlighting the double standard. Your average gun rights advocate doesn’t seem to have any problem with the government banning bombs, chemical/biological weapons, nuclear weapons, rocket launchers etc. but they get all upset when you try and ban assault rifles. How is the banning of those weapons (bombs etc) not a violation of the second amendment as well? Surely it’s every citizens constitutional right to own whatever weapon they like right? Explain to me how the banning of bombs is okay but the banning of assault rifles isn’t.[/quote] They also hadn't been checked. Make it a requirement to pass a mental health exam before you are allowed to purchase a firearm. All the things you mentioned kill indiscriminately. There's no way to tell how kuch destruction you can cause with a bomb, especially if you're not an expert. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to protect the common people, not to cause chaos and death.
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[quote]They also hadn't been checked. Make it a requirement to pass a mental health exam before you are allowed to purchase a firearm.[/quote] I wouldn’t object to that. Seems like a sensible idea. But I think mental health is a bit of a scapegoat the NRA use to prevent any real gun legislation from going ahead. The solution lies in a combination of both. [quote]All the things you mentioned kill indiscriminately...[/quote] These shooters seem pretty indiscriminate to me. Just point it at a crowd of people and pull the trigger. [quote]The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to protect the common people, not to cause chaos and death.[/quote] And yet chaos and death is exactly what we seem to get.
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[quote][quote]They also hadn't been checked. Make it a requirement to pass a mental health exam before you are allowed to purchase a firearm.[/quote] I wouldn’t object to that. Seems like a sensible idea. But I think mental health is a bit of a scapegoat the NRA use to prevent any real gun legislation from going ahead. The solution lies in a combination of both. [quote]All the things you mentioned kill indiscriminately...[/quote] These shooters seem pretty indiscriminate to me. Just point it at a crowd of people and pull the trigger. [quote]The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to protect the common people, not to cause chaos and death.[/quote] And yet chaos and death is exactly what we seem to get.[/quote] No normal person kills people indiscriminately. Why are you so against normal people from owning weapons? I'd rather fight against a gun than any other weapon any day of the week. Know why? Because the only direction the bullet is travelling is through the end of the gun. It's predictable and that makes it dodgable if you can predict how the person behind the trigger will shoot. There's actually a martial art dedicated entirely to dodging bullets (actually playing on human psychology)
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[quote]There's actually a martial art dedicated entirely to dodging bullets (actually playing on human psychology)[/quote] So that’s the answer then. We don’t need to ban guns, we just need to train everybody in the art of dodging bullets - Matrix style.
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[quote][quote]There's actually a martial art dedicated entirely to dodging bullets (actually playing on human psychology)[/quote] So that’s the answer then. We don’t need to ban guns, we just need to train everybody in the art of dodging bullets - Matrix style.[/quote] It has less to deal with actually dodging bullets and more to staying out of the kill zone. Nice try to make a sarcastic comment though, seeing as how you have no rational argument.
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I made a sarcastic joke because I’m actually just sick of arguing about it. Truth is it’s pointless to keep arguing about this every time there’s a massacre. America’s sick obsession with guns is never going to change. I give up, you win.
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