[quote]But if guns are legal and more are carried. The shooters would be more likely to change there mind.[/quote] Your country has more guns per capita than anywhere else, and this doesnt seem to dissuade shootings one iota, as your disproportionately high gun violence shows. Its even more apparent that somethings amiss when you look at countries like Switzerland and Japan who allow private gun ownership and [i]dont[/i] have the same issues you do. [quote]Criminals will always get guns even if there banned. Idiots believe otherwise.[/quote] Always? No. Not true. No country in existence has 100% of its criminals carrying guns, thats an absolutely ridiculous statement. What would be more accurate is to say that you cant 100% eliminate the possibility of a criminal getting a gun. [i]Thats[/i] true. But its not criminals that are the problem is it? Its people who are mentally unstable getting hold of them, thats the problem here. Tighter controls on guns with respects to mental instability would be half of the solution. The other half would be reigning in your pill factory culture. [quote]Also.. If someone had a gun there and could have shot the attackers? But wait! We need to wait for the police to bring guns and shoot them while they go and stab everyone hahahaha. Great![/quote] If guns were widely available, you think they'd have still used knives? FOH lol. At the past few mass shootings there have been people there with guns. How'd that work out? You're happy to call other people idiots, but you're parroting an NRA talking point emailed to right-wing media and politicians hours after a mass shooting. And the most ironic thing is that as there [i]have[/i] been "Good Guys with Guns" present, and its done absolutely -blam!- all to prevent repeated loss of life, your whole point is dead in the water before you've even bleated it out. Your country needs to make sure that you arent putting highly lethal weaponry in the hands of the mentally disturbed, and you need to stop pumping out drugs which cause psychotic episodes. At the very least, people on such medication should be barred from holding such weapons.

But these criminals didn't get guns even though they are banned?

[quote]That is a false equivalence of the highest order.[/quote] How so? In both instances we have a civilian arguably equipped to deal with their respective situations. [quote]The data shows that when civilians have firearms during a shooting, they tend to either help the situation, or do nothing. Rarely if ever do civilians with firearms worsen shooting situations.[/quote] So basically like literally any other situation where a civilian could intervene? This is such a non-argument.