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Dmg03 has been locking posts that don't break CoC Here's the truth about Marge Stohl that he locked quote]She was given the job to write Black Widow. It was supposed to be a 3 part solo outing for Black Widow. 1. Forever Red, which was widely received as a major overhaul of Black Widow that NOBODY asked for 2. Red Vengeance, the second installment which received lower sales than the final issue of Civil War II (that's really bad) [b]Literally so bad, that comic websites WON'T label that solo outing, and just places it inside the issue numbers instead (think about things like Spider-man : Back in Black as a solo outing, and Spider-Man Issue 207 as issue numbers)[/b] and then she was removed from the project before writing Red Resurgence (due to declining sales figures in anything containing Black Widow, including Captain America Steve Rogers) Now you might think, hey writers sometimes don't do great (BENDIS I'M TALKING TO YOU), but this got to the point where Marvel has actually had to kill Black Widow off (in Secret Empire). Let me get you to Captain Marvel. She was placed on this role because specifically they wanted to start creating a more 'Inclusive' character (some will say SJW, you decide yourselves). Needless to say, this created the most widely hated run on this character to date. Not only did it turn her character from a cocky, alcoholic fighter pilot in to an angry, aggressive, manic of a character, it lead to her being seen as literally the villain of her own comic. Surprisingly enough, Marge told a better story about the Skrulls, than she could about her title character. I'm not going to make you take my word for it, I'll link you the physical comic run she did http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Mighty-Captain-Marvel Fortunately for her, Marvel Legacy showed up and saved her ass from the bonfire. The largest evidence of her critics lies in the fact that she took a mature themed character (due to the complexities and politics of interstellar empires/villains/etc) and dumbed it down for 12 year olds. This is a general example of who she is in the industry of Marvel (which she is in the process of being replaced during Marvel Legacy) but there's more details you need to know. The reason she was hired, was because her Brother. David Stohl. He runs the Game Studio 'Infinity Ward' which is owned by *drumroll* Activision. This person was not hired because of merit. She was hired because of privilege. This is the same person who just claimed 3 years of lore is up for retcon at any moment she desires This is a person who will single handedly turn something you love (Captain Marvel) and twist it in to something you hate I'm a very serious Marvel comics fan, and their introduction of this poisonous writer has influenced more than what she has written, and any other reader will most likely concur on this subject. Now, I have a hard time believing this is going to see many people's eyes, because unless I'm a famous 'Content Creator' but honestly if it sees one other person's eyes, that's what matters. Don't accept her behavior. Put her out on her ass before Lord Saladin starts calling you all bigots. [b]Please, if the remaining people on these forums are actual fans[/b], you will stop her in her tracks now. Hashtag spam, or whatever you guys do, but if you don't immediately draw the line HERE, then you're going to see your game become another moronic indoctrinated pile of garbage[/quote]
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  • Edited by rebelfist1: 1/31/2018 10:43:32 AM
    #removeSTOHL

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  • That was a great read, I think she does have merit in what she does, however, stories and writing needs consistency. The story was not a sequel.

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  • Already too late.

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  • Games a gimmick

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  • Nope. I didn't see anything confirming they could retcon the lore completely. Just you reading too much into stuff, prolly like the grimore itself.

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  • Bump! I like you :)

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  • Bump. That’s messed up, regardless of to what degree that folks see it.

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  • Nepotism at its finest

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  • First, regardless of the writing quality of recent to which I would say that Marvel has slid in quality over the past few years, Carol being Captain Marvel was natural promotion. Carol deserved the role. She long since earned the title. Plus Mar-Vell probably had the best death in any medium to which I ask anyone who hasn’t to read it so bringing him back at any point to me is a waste of that great story. Secondly, even the best writers have issues writing good stories with some topics. You would be surprised how many writers have this issue. Thirdly, unless you can tell me that you have received no benefits from being known by anyone for any reason to which I doubt is the case than your entire critique on alleged cronyism/nepotism is foolish.

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  • Just because someone made a story line you and some others didn't like doesn't mean they will make crappy story lines for D2. And since you don't like what she did doesn't mean she should lose her job. Extreme much? It's also unimportant how she got her job. You think she's the only person to get a job through knowing someone? I don't know if you work for a living, but you'd probably think it would be crappy if you lost your job because of someone on some random forum unrelated to any of your work got you fired. Get off your high horse!

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  • Edited by A_dmg04: 1/29/2018 11:08:38 PM
    Read the code. Harassment is not tolerated. Continuously petitioning and asking players to petition for an individual to lose their job? I believe that is harassment. I have not censored your posts. They have not been removed, they have been locked. This is your final warning. https://www.bungie.net/en-US/View/bungie/conduct

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  • Hey I notice you haven't done anything about the 'Fire Luke Smith' posts It's almost as if you're a lying jackass who clearly was censoring my post or something.

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  • Edited by Takin Ajit Guys: 2/1/2018 6:08:33 PM
    OOOOOHHHHHHHHH MY GOOOOOODODD HAAHAHAHAHAH REKT MATE BANISH THEM DMG04. YOU CAN EVEN BRING LUKE SMITH ALONG FOR THE FUN OF IT! I am willing to bet he is responsible for the Speaker's savage wit.

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  • I'm just curious. Is it ok asking for a better writer? Not really asking for anyone to be fired. But in real world if you're not up for the task we'll we all know what happens. Or I guess we could just post over and over for original grimoire to be kept and a more mature/adult story please and thank you. I think some of us would just like an idea if there's going to be a new tone to the game and what that might entail before we keep buying in. I think that's reasonable.

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  • Oh really? Well this is the gaming world my friend. We all know that we shouldn't associate real life with the game world.

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  • Same as corporate healthcare world were you have meetings about meetings. Huh. Kinda like updates about updates.

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  • Corporate healthcare? What does that have anything to do with you guys and your crush on Marge Stohl?

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  • The conversation just sparked that thought. Whenever you get a bunch of people involved in a simple decision it's never good. The solution to making players happy is right there. If people say hey we loved the grimoire from D1 just hated it wasn't in the game why can't we have an in game codex. It seems that would be the thing to do. So when you hear the word folklore thrown around it does make you think they just don't want to bring the grimoire forward into Destiny. That's corporate think avoid the obvious and make everything ten times as hard and take ten times longer.

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  • What does lore have anything to do with harassing someone like that? Over a video game? Right now I see a bunch of dicks causing chaos for no reason.

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  • I wasn't harassing anyone just asking questions and stating I'm just befuddled by some of the decisions Bungie and Activision make as a whole. Also you're right it just a game but it had (maybe still has) potential to be not just an ok game but great game. Just a shame to see it wasted is all. Alas life will go on. [spoiler]no need to get all fired up.[/spoiler]

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  • Edited by Takin Ajit Guys: 2/1/2018 4:30:22 AM
    Screw getting fired up. I think they should start banning people who can't act like rational human beings. Befuddled my ass.

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  • Ok then. You're the one acting out like a crazy person because of feedback and constructive criticism. That's what I'm offering. Anyone else I can't speak for. There's a whole lore community that supported D1 and helped it grow for three years. So can you blame them if they have a suspicion that like much of the rest of D1 the lore is being thrown out too. People expected answers and additional information on a lot of great lore a stories in the grimoire. It was advertised D2 story will be too much, will be overwhelming. Well that didn't happen. So you can expect upset paying customers. Because let's face it if people quit buying DLC and pass on D3 there will be no more Destiny for anyone to work on.

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  • Edited by Takin Ajit Guys: 2/1/2018 4:51:07 PM
    "I'm crazy." Yet I am not the one supporting a man-child's post trying to get people to harass Marge Stohl.

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  • Well I don't agree with harassing someone just for the sake of it. But if that person has some creative control over something you enjoy I think letting that person know what your opinions are on the matter isn't horrible. There's always a right and wrong way to go about things. Just acting like an a$$ sure not good. Offering up your truthful thoughts and constructive criticism is just fine. It's like let's say you have a favorite novel series. Then someone comes along and starts changing things and ignoring what happened previously in the series. Would that be fine with you? Or would you have something to say about it?

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