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[quote]Wow, no Pats vote yet. Cellar must be at work...[/quote] I was at work, but now justice is in order.
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tell him we could of used garrapolo since brady might be badly hurt with his thumb. they could of kept garrappolo until the end of the year but noooo!!
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[quote]tell him we could of used garrapolo since brady might be badly hurt with his thumb. they could of kept garrappolo until the end of the year but noooo!![/quote] ESPN is making a huge deal out of it because everyone is jealous of the Patriots and wants to see them lose. This whole week has been obnoxious coverage of Jacksonville’s defense and a fictitious rhetoric attempting to make the Patriots out to seem dysfunctional.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 1/20/2018 5:20:39 AMnow even if you wanted to get rid of garrapollo do not tell me it would not be nice to have him this year as a backup in case brady gets hurts. they could of traded him after this season.
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Edited by The Cellar Door: 1/20/2018 5:35:27 AM[quote] they could of traded him after this season.[/quote] Yes, for even [i]less[/i] than what he’s worth. The fact that the Patriots would have to pay him 20 million or give him away to free agency is [i]huge[/i] leverage. No team in their right mind would have picked him up and end up giving the Patriots the same value that they got for him. Yes, I think he was undervalued in the trade, however I think it was the optimal solution for a tough decision. The only way that they would have gotten a better value for him would be if they had traded him at the beginning of the season, and that was [i]far[/i] to risky of a move. I think ESPN is going nuts over a non-issue. Brady will throw for 400 on Sunday and shut everybody up.
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your ignoring the option of getting rid of tom brady. i do not know if that is possible next year since i do not know the contract. belichick who is the greatest coach of all time wanted to keep garrapolo and probably wanted to toss tom aside after this year.
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Edited by The Cellar Door: 1/20/2018 6:13:16 AMIt’s not possible next year, Brady is signed through 2019. So if they kept Garappolo, they would be paying two quarterbacks despite the fact that only one would play, and have to give up other key players would will need to be resigned next year because that salary space isn’t big enough to have two big ticket players like that. You’re not going to franchise a player that has only played a handful of games. You’re not going to dish out 45 million just for an insurance plan. You’re not. It’s simply not sensible.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 1/20/2018 5:47:25 AMwe would of not got less if we kept him for after this season. belichick got rid of him for a second round pick. no way after this season we could of got more. what do you think the browns would have given? belichick was pissed so he gave him away for a second round pick when we could of got more . he wanted to make sure jimmy was in a position to succeed with a good organization with san Francisco versus going to the browns and being wasted. really a second round pick? we could of got more for jimmy. Ill tell you what if I knew I could get rid of brady next year I would of kept garappolo . he has already won more super bowls then any other quarter back and is 40. garappolo would have been the next quarter back and you do not give that up.
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Edited by The Cellar Door: 1/20/2018 6:04:00 AMThe Browns wouldn’t have given anything. If that trade didn’t go through they would either have had to sign Garapolo or drop him. Nobody would have traded for him because he’d just end up going to free agency, and because the Patriots don’t have much room in their salary cap, it would severely disadvantage them. In the league where the Patriots are literally the team to beat every year, nobody is doing them any favors. They kept him for as long as they could without completely losing value or hurting their flexibility with their already small margin of free salary space. If they kept him, they’d have to make several other questionable moves despite already having an MVP-tier QB who isn’t showing signs of regression.
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i know belichick said the cap can be manipulated many ways. the difference between me and you is i place more importance on garapolo and would do anything in my power to keep him. your right after this year maybee they do not get as much for him. but to me he has more importance. i either keep him no matter what . if they wanted to keep him belichick would find a way . a good quarterback is more important then the other positions on your team. its simple if you place more value on him more then any other player it can be done even if it means getting rid of brady. your right maybe they do not give as much but I keep him because he is the next big thing.
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Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big Jimmy G guy. But you’re putting [i]way[/i] to much faith in a guy who realistically has only started in 8 games, 6 of which were after the trade. It’s not logical on the Patriots end. At the time of the trade they’re looking at someone who had started in just two regular season games, versus someone whose won 5 Super Bowls and is playing at an MVP level. It’s incomparable. Jimmy G is a solid qb, but he’s not Tom Brady, and there is simply not enough evidence to suggest that he can be their guy for the next decade. Look at how many times players who look like studs in their rookie year plateau. This is no different.
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.[quote]Jimmy G is a solid qb[/quote] there you go jimmy g is a solid qb do you know how rare that is? you could go through multiple drafts to find someone as good as him but even then you might not. he does not need to be a tom brady . a solid qb is a keeper.
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jimmy g is probably better then all the quarterbacks in the playoffs other then tom brady. the quarterbacks in the playoffs this year are not very good. i do not buy this small sample therefore i would say he is the next guy for the next decade considering the other quarterbacks out there. i think san fransicso considers him the next quarter back for 10 years. belichick even said he did not want to get rid of him. there is a eye ball test now its not the be all or end all. but belichick is a good judge of talent. i have seen video of jimmy g and considering how many bad quarterbacks are in the league I would of bet on it. and to say jimmy g is no tom brady is a ridiculous statement because most are not. but that argument is not relevant because you are not going to find another tom brady but you could find a solid guy for the next 6 years at least. its a gamble where you would not take the gamble which I do not find hard considering how many bad quarterbacks are out there I would. and once brady is gone in 2019 how much do you really have to pay for garrapolo. and I am very conservative in gambling mind you. what other quarterback is going to come up if not jimmy g? some years are bad draft years for quarterbacks to begin with. you mark my words san Francisco got a great quarterback for a long time.
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Edited by The Cellar Door: 1/20/2018 6:48:44 AMWe’ll see in the coming years. Like I said, I’m a Jimmy G guy, I want to see him do good. When we’re talking about finding whose going to be that guy for the next decade, that’s not a decision you want to make with your back against the wall like that. That’s a decision that requires calculated thought. I’m confident the Patriots find another strong leader in the next 5 years. QB-heavy drafts are happening more and more with such a heavy focus on the pass in current NFL game scripts, and the Patriots aren’t going to take that gamble on a rookie out of college either. They have time to see progression in the younger players, and that’s what’s important. They have time to make that decision, because Brady isn’t ailing, and that’s why they dropped Garappolo. They don’t buy into the ESPN bullshit that’s always out to get the Patriots. Every year it’s a new thing, yet they always prove them wrong. The video above is from 2014, before they won the super bowl that year.
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Edited by Dr Livingston 9: 1/20/2018 7:00:36 AMwell how ever you make your decisions its a bad to say because brady isnt ailing they get rid of a garapplo because he could turn out to be a top 5 quarterback maybee not. montana was traded at 36 i believe. belichick is known for getting rid of players before they decline. brady has won more super bowls then any other player . if he does not retire after this year he is being selfish. teams have suffered from sticking with sports players that have won them championships . but hurt their team in the long run. knowing when to get rid of a player is important too. who knows maybee grappalo does not live up to expectations but from what i have seen so far it looks good. why would you let a old player 40 years old ruin your chances from keeping a above average quarterback to lead your team next. holding on to brady can prove a bad decison also. because brady is not ailing is the worst reason to drop garappolo. your not thinking long term. it could take us another 5 years to get a decent quarterback.
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ya brady will probably be fine and i have seen stats that show that jacksonville's defense is way over rated. look how many points the steelers put against jacsonville. there defense is way over rated. but if brady did get hurt in the playoffs we could of had garrapolo till the end of the year. but if brady gets hurt its curtains with bryan hoyer . there is no chance in hell that our back up quarterback is going to win any playoff game. btw lets say we kept garrapolo do you know if in brady's contract we could of cut him next year? even if you would not make that decision do you know if we wanted to could we get rid of brady after this year? you do not know how much it pisses me off we got rid of garappolo.
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Hah! Yeah, that was a lousy trade. There are a few articles about what happened and it's pretty interesting.
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ya lots of theories going around. belichick was pissed and might be leaving next year. some say brady might of talked kraft into trading him this year.
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Gotta say I'm totally fine with the Patriots being in a little disarray...