Also the thing is the group that loved D1 probably would have been on board with you group for an even more in depth rpg/mmo type experience. So I just don’t know why they went down this road of making it a more generic shooter with less abilities, less loot, less incentive when all they had to do was build upon the first and make the intro to “endgame” easier to comprehend(which they did by implementing the taken king style progression this time from the get go instead of only “Levels”, I even thought the game was over at 20 my first week of vanilla).