originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
Have you discussed anything about Xivu Arath's throne world? Crota, Oryx, and possibly Savathun's all seem to be similar pocket universes. Xivu Arath's throne world seems by far the most abstract and difficult to conceptualize.
Also, a death in another being's throne world constitutes a permanent death correct? This seems to be another somewhat difficult key fact to nail down. It seems like there's a middle ground 'death'.
- It's safe to assume many Ascendant hive have throne worlds. But Oryx's daughters were killed in Oryx's throne world, not their own. And yet they seemingly died permanent deaths. I
- I'll also mention when Oryx killed Savathun and Xivu Arath in his throne world to gain the sword logic of killing them to overpower the Ecumene. It is mentioned they died permanent deaths, but then came back as well.
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I don't recall anything about Xivu Arath's throne world, but I'm interested if you have any sourced info about it. Death in someone else's throne world is not permanent, but it might be difficult to come back from. For example, when Xivu Arath and Savathun died in Oryx's throne world, they managed to come back to life as a result of Oryx doing deeds that represent them (for example, being cunning summoned Savathun back).
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Edited by KindredSword: 9/19/2017 3:32:11 PM[quote]SAVATHÛN thought this was a great idea. She made a court called the High Coven. XIVU ARATH said, [b]the world is my court, wherever there is war[/b].[/quote] [quote]Between them stood XIVU ARATH saying, stop, or I will kill you, [b]war is mine[/b] and I am strongest. [/quote] [quote]Oryx made war on the Ecumene for a hundred years. At the end of those hundred years he killed the Ecumene Council on the Fractal Wreath, and from their blood rose Xivu Arath, saying, “[b]I am war, and you have conjured me back with war.[/b]”[/quote] Thats effectively all we have regarding Xivu Arath's throne. There is a distinct lack of noun capitalization in "war" which leads me to think that it is the least 'distinct' throne. It seems to be less of a place than Crota, Oryx or Savathun's throne worlds, which is why it intrigues me. I can only conjecture that it is a similar relation with Xivu Arath's throne to "war" as there is to Oryx's throne and his Dreadnought. If death in someone else's throne world is not permanent, similar to death in the physical world, then it's safe to say almost nearly all of Oryx's court is alive, including his daughters. (The Dal sisters are probably permanently dead due to the way they hid their thrones)
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A court is not the same as a throne world. A court is basically the other high-ranking Hive they surround themselves with. Oryx has the Court of Oryx, who may challenge him at any time to keep him strong, Savathun has a bunch of wizards if I recall correctly, and Xivu Arath has the whole world (basically Oryx's concept of open challenge, but applied to the whole universe). The establishment of their courts was in XXII: The High War. [quote]At last the many moons came to many worlds and it was time to go to war on life. AURYX said, I shall establish a court, and whoever comes into this court may challenge me. My court will be the High War. It will be a killing ground and a school of the sword logic we have learned from our gods. SAVATHÛN thought this was a great idea. She made a court called the High Coven. XIVU ARATH said, the world is my court, wherever there is war.[/quote] But they already had their throne worlds since XVII: The Weakness Verse, meaning that the thrones and courts are entirely separate things. [quote]Your body is gone, but you have endured. Safe in the cyst universe created by your own might — your throne world. From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne. [/quote]Savathun was resurrected from death using cunning because she defined herself as cunning, and Xivu Aarath was resurrected by the act of war because she defined herself through war. These acts themselves are not throne worlds, but rather just another mechanism of rebirth (but doesn't work if you died within your throne world). If Oryx didn't die in his throne world, he could have been brought back through exploration and inquiry since that's what he defined himself with.
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Ahh you're right. [quote]But Oryx was too canny. The Taken King said to his Court, the High War, “My throne world is vulnerable. I am going to move it.”[/quote] Duh.