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Edited by Touch It: 9/19/2017 3:58:21 AM
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Raid loot system is infuriating, demotivating and a huge joke (coming from someone that beat the raid twice).

It’s not worth it. My team and I just spent near 3 hours on the final boss and I got a rare emblem and a Titan mark. Granted the mark dropped at 300 which was nice, the only other drop I had during that raid was an auto rifle. That auto rifle dropped at 286 and I was already at 289. I was able to put a damage mod on it which bumped it up to 291. But what’s up with the lower level drop? Are we really going back to the VoG days where you spend hours trying to complete the raid, just to walk away with one, MAYBE two drops? Are we really going back to the King’s Fall days where the power level of the drops have a good chance of being lower than you current level rendering them useless? And let’s not forget about the vendor that unlocks after you beat the raid. You earn tokens from doing the challenges, which you can then use to level up with the new raid vendor. The vendor does obviously give you raid gear, but the problem is that it drops at normal legendary drop power levels. I received the raid pulse rifle at 281. Yes, I could infuse it and make it more powerful, but doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of running the raid? Raids are meant to be challenging and very hard missions, but you’re also supposed to be rewarded accordingly for the effort it takes to beat these challenges. Please, tell me if I’m wrong but the loot system for this raid seems like a huge step back from the system the devs designed in D1 because of drops like this raid has. Edit: For all you kiddies out there telling me I should be grateful that I got anything or I shouldn’t get all the raid gear in one week and what not, I never said I should get it all. But it is very demotivating to go almost the whole raid without getting anything, and when I do finally get a drop having it be a lower power level than what I can use. The auto that I got doesn’t even come up to my current power level even with a +5 damage mod. And I can’t infuse it higher because weapons are locked to its archetype for infusion. And either way, if your answer to me is something along the lines of “just infuse it with a higher weapon”, you clearly don’t understand. That defeats the whole purpose of running raids. Raids are supposed to reward you with the most powerful and unique gear in the game. And instead you get ‘rewarded’ with nothing more than some useless weapon or armor more than half of the time. It’s going to be a long grind before I get an auto rifle that’s high enough to where I can either use it or infuse it (but the infusion system is a whole different topic that I’m not going to get into).

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  • Edited by brad0418: 10/23/2017 2:05:04 AM
    I can't stand destiny 2 ... I played D1 for about 1k hours... I am so disappointed in the lack of endgame ...the fact that power level literally means nothing compared to light level in 1. The exotics are either copy and paste or the new ones are severely underwhelming and not fun to use or very powerful... the balance brought in fixed some stuff and made the rest boring same weapons same rolls over and over.... and let this sink in...raid gear has no more attributes or perks than any other easier to get gear and therefore I have no desire to grind for it like I did every other raid..... last and certainly not least ...i can't stand the casual participation trophy manner in which just because you're in a clan with people you can get raid gear handed to you for never having to actually earn it ....so therefore it's really not special at all... as far as D1 progressed over 3 years and somehow they managed to screw this up and go back to a game that's forgettable and boring

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  • Edited by Malenia, Blade of Miqullla: 9/19/2017 6:03:00 PM
    Leviathan Raid summed up https://youtu.be/IuGbGAwZZeU

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  • I agree, it is a step backward. The tokens should reward gear that is higher light, since they are basically a replacement for the old smart loot which was meant to overcome bad luck. Drops should always be improvements. Vendors are being used in place of modifying drop rates as players experience bad luck, but since the vendors have low level items.. its only a half baked solution. I dont understand why bungie insists on dragging players through mud to extend their play time. Sure money, but eventually it will lead to a bad rep.

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  • I got all coins and a shitty looking helmet that dropped at 298 light. My warlock is 303 right now, so it did give me a whole 0 light if I kept it.

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  • Let’s keep this going guys

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  • Edited by Unicorn Wail: 9/19/2017 9:36:55 AM
    All I got were coins and a warlock bond for the whole raid..wtf kind of reward is that? I got a lvl 10 scout as a clan reward after. This is hands down the worst raid reward system ever. If you were going to have raid vendor then he shoulve been like xur and had a rotating stock you could choose from. Nobody wants to spend hrs of thier time and feel like theu came away with nothing for it.

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  • I've got 7 days, 12 hours, 4 characters, bugged quests, shitty RNG, shittier Rewards and horrible grind to testify that this game is a new kind horrible. Only one guardian at 301. Wth

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    • I understand completely. You know thou there are players here that don't think the game is grindy enough. But those players probably don't have anything else to do but play this game. I remember VoG runs getting nothing but shards but when the gear did drop it was max light for the event, same with CE. You can't make things rare and RNG leveling, especially having drops below your current light. Every drop should be a step in character progression in the end game. They can either make gear hard to get and max light or RNG leveling but not both.

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    • That's why I wait for a few weeks so they can get all the "bugs" fixed..learned my lesson back in Kings Fall.

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      • Absolute waste of time and extremely disappointing. In the time it took to run the raid I literally could have farmed public events and gotten better gear. And whats up with raid gear not having raid specific perks. Absolutely no reason other than cosmetics to run the gear in the raid. I got 2 cloaks the entire raid, both dropped 2 power higher. The tokens/rep system doesn't bother me but when it drops base power gear it a joke! Had 2300+ hours in D1 with hundreds of raid clears, same as a clan mate and we were both pissed about this and asking ourselves whats the point of running the raid ever again.

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      • B oring. U nderwhelming. N arrow. G eneric. I nsulting. E mbarrassing.

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        • the raid should never be dropping gear below your light level, especially this early inthe game. The reward for your time that we keep getting told will be respected needs to actually be something to be proud of. not pissed off becasue you feel you wasted your time obtaining look that is useless to your progression. And the gear is all basically the same with minor differences. what about raid specific perks, with the things bungie chose to leave behind and what they chose to add, I don't feel they made a huge step forward if any was made at all. Just a different pile.. same crap. pvp feels different but, the same issues exist. LAG only now we have no idea who caused it. The raid seems beautiful have played it a ton.. the drops.. make me ask why the hell I didn't run public events for that time. seems like it would have ben far better

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        • Yeah if I'm gonna spend hours on a boss, I want loot.

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        • I'll do the raid for the achievement, not fussed about the rewards. If I get stuff then great but if not, well I won't worry to much about it - there's loot to be had elsewhere!!

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        • lol! there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Bungie will do that there wont be a group of people crying about it. If they made the raid rain loot next complaint will be I ALREADY GOT ALL THE LOOT AND THERE IS NO POINT DOING THE RAIDS ANYMORE and then followed closely by THERE IS NOTHING TO DO, WHY IS THERE NO CONTENT BUNGO! followed even more closely by DESTINY IS DEAD The game is not even one month old and you want to be given all the raid drops on a pinyata doll for you to smack them all on a single raid run......wow this community.....wow.

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          • I got boots, chest piece, cloak, rocket launcher, scout rifle, and sword this week. I'm a happy ass Guardian with nothing to complain about!

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          • The problem is they've made it too easy to level up before the raid. It's a 270 raid (allegedly) and people are going in at 290, so loot drops at a lower level. Exactly the same thing happened in Wrath of the Machine. I struggle a bit in raids so I left it until 285 before attempting it, and all the gear I got dropped at... 285. Previous raids were there to give you the chance at higher level loot. This time we're already there before the raid dropped. I'm more p****d off about that stupid, time-consuming maze and switch puzzle just to get back to your checkpoint!

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            • Lucky to get anything in the Raid and have to beat it to spend the tokens. Meanwhile, people are already getting the entire Trials armor set and multiple weapons. Something doesn't seem fair here.

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            • I actually like the new raid and the fact we have a raid vendor now. But you're spot-on with the incentives: if the raid is going to be the most-challenging activity in the game, then they should substantially reward better for participating in it. More drops, at levels higher than yours until the cap. Maybe the vendor can give you items at a lower LL, but not during the raid.

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            • agreed 100% use to reply the raid on D1 all the time but i dont plan to redo this raid ever again its horrible the drop system being engrams is a joke and whoever came up with the stupid use a code to go back to your checkpoint system is a moron its not fun its annoying as hell and wastes time. Lastly whoever through putting raid chests in a f*****g maze you have to screw around in is the biggest idiot on your team

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            • Bump, i know what you mean.

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            • If the Raid isn't enjoyable, what is the point of gearing up? You still have to play the same content to get use out of the gear.

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            • try doing smth else than playing D2

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              • I couldn't agree more, after spending hours trying to beat unpleasant garden I was ready to give up until someone said I'd get gear. So I stuck it out and we finally beat it and I was awarded a couple tokens so I decided I won't ever do the raid again. I also won't buy mods ever again after spending probably a million or so glimmer trying to get either an energy recoil mod for a chest piece or a Kinect recoil mod for arms. I'm honestly about to just stop playing Destiny for a year or two like I did with Destiny 1. Maybe by then they'll have introduced a TTK type dlc and made the game fun.

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              • I usually watch people play the raid on stream before I try it. I've seen 3 people complete the raid and just get crap gear and weapons. At this point I don't see the point of doing the raid right now. Especially when you get better drops from other things within the game.

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              • You spend all day doing the raid and this happens...

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