All of the things you listed are pretty basic things, though. Having aimbot, sorry, aim assist, isn't. People playing with controller isn't the issue, and if there was slight aim assist I wouldn't mind but hearing that it literally locks onto targets is worrying, no? That requires very little effort - like super little.

That's not how aim-assist works. All aim-assist does is make your reticle SLOW DOWN as it traverses the target, or move ONTO target if it is SLIGHTLY off. This makes up for the lack of precision INHERENT in the use of a controller. But it can be as much of a disadvantage as an advantage. As veteran Destiny players can tell you, you can use Aim-assist against your opponent by using another close, fast-moving object or player going across their reticle to throw off their aim. So the notion that its some sort of easy "I win" button that allows you to win without skill, is just so much bullshit.

it is tho, it locks onto their head NO MATTER WHAT.

IF it moved your reticle on the TARGET not to HEAD and ONLY SLIGHTLY it wouldnt be a problem.

[quote]- not allow high refresh rate monitors - lock to a common resolution - remove HDR - remove support for ultra-wide monitors[/quote] Do these help you shoot headshots without ANY effort? Nope, they just make the game look better and give you more view. If anything it's harder to hit people because there is more to distract you on the screen and the higher resolution you use, the smaller peoples heads get. A controller with auto-aim isn't something for PC, I don't understand why many people think it is? If you choose to play with a controller you should accept that you can't move/look the same way as with kb+m. The fact that you get aim-assist makes no sense at all, it just give you an unfair input advantage because you literally don't have to aim anymore all you have to do it look in the general direction and press 2 buttons, no skill involved. If auto-aim stays in the game the PvP won't last very long i'm afraid, I won't be apart of it anyway, no point in playing against legal cheaters that don't require skill to get kills/loot. If anything, it might as well be called aimbot instead of aim assist, it doesn't assist at all, it does ALL the work for you. [quote]competetive: as good as or better than others of a comparable nature. [/quote] comparable nature, now I don't think aim-assist counts as comparable nature.

[quote]Do these help you shoot headshots without ANY effort?[/quote] Neither does aim-assist. That's the point.

Go play BF/CS:GO and come back aim-assist does all the work for you in Destiny 2. If you can't notice that you just got used to it so much..

suuuuuure it doesn't... https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticPlainBeeDancingBaby

I've see that video. Either the guy is deliberately trolling....or he doesn't understand how aim-assist works. What he's doing is very simple. He's using the technique that controller users use when they want to quickscope. What he's doing is---before every shot---he's basically "pre-aiming" his weapon by allowing the target to get close to the center of the screen and where the reticle will appear when you ADS. He then quickly ADS's and takes the shot. What aim assist does is either one of two things. 1. If you're target is moving it will slow down the movement of the reticle with respect to the moving target and allow your aim to stay on target a split second LONGER than it would without AA. or.... 2. if the aim is ***slightly** off, it will be pulled onto the target. By "slighty" I'm talking in terms of a few PIXELS of mis-alignment. In short, any controller player will tell you that what he's doing takes a LOT of practice and a LOT of skill to do. [b]Because---unless you get a very good feel for very accurate PRE-AIMING, the technique is useless. [/b] Console players use the technique not because aim-assist gives such a massive advantage, but because it prevents "lens flare" from giving away your position to opponents until it the very last minute. So you can snipe someone while still maintaining the element of surprise. I suspect, this guy is good at it because he's spent a SHIT TON of time playing FPS on PC and HIP-FIRING So he's gotten very good at aligning to the target without the benefit of ADS.

The second shot he aimed a bit better yes. BUT you need to re-watch the first shot he did. That one snapped to the head like crazy

It is pretty clear that you don't have an understanding of the issue at hand. There are already examples of people exploiting the auto aim system by plugging in both a mouse and a controller and spoofing the auto aim assist. This is an issue of cheating and imbalance and to try and compare it to something as trivial as refresh rates or dpi settings is ignorant.

We understand. We just don't buy into the hysteria. 1. The problem is cheating. 2. You don't deal with cheating by punishing players who are using the game as intended. 3. Any time you use any kinds of external software you create input lag. So any advantage someone gains by using XIM4, will be offset by increased input lag. The reverse of this issue has already been dealt with in the Destiny community. Players (notably a few streamers) using software that allows them to use mouse-and-keyboard on console. One of the guys who does this, talked about having to deal with the slower response time in an interview. But in his case, it was worth it getting to play with an input method he was comfortable with.

My sentiments exactly. I won't be playing on PC but I don't like the way this thread and others like it seems to be headed at all. Punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty is not the way to go

Read further down. This isn't just about punishing the guilty. There is a lot of PC Master Race elitism----and a strong dose of ignorance about what it is that AA actually does----going on here as well. Because---once you start to press them----a number of posters here finally start to admit that either they----or other PC players----also consider AA with a controller to be "cheating". As if.

I like that "PC Master Race elitism" is always an argument for console players, most of you are starting to use it when it doesnt have any sense, just like black people with racism.