I'm not saying that climate change isn't real. Here are some real facts.
In the 1980's, scientists predicted that if carbon emissions did not lessen drastically in order to fix the hole in the ozone, there would be a new ice age by the 2030s (they had said within 50 years). They asserted this with 100% certainty.
The hottest weather on record, according to climate scientists who compare actual written records from history with tree-ring studies to corroborate the evidence was in the 11th century.
There is evidence to suggest that earth's climate is significantly affected by solar activity. Solar flare activity has been more active in recent years than previously observed on average, which may indicate that this solar activity may, in part, be causing global warming/climate change symptoms.
The green industry is a multi-billion dollar industry led by businessmen just like the oil companies. There is no reason to think that one industry is more good or evil than the other. Each industry will leverage whatever it can for maximum profit.
So like I said, I'm not trying to say that climate change isn't real, but I'm humbly suggesting that when a politician cites a politically funded study in order to get people to behave a certain way that supports their interests, or to try and generate income, do not blindly believe everything they say and to research the facts yourself. When putting effort and resources into taking care of the environment and our planet, they should be directed toward the places that will make the most positive and real difference.
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Slight problem carbon isn't what made the ozone hole it's was the chlorofluorocarbons used in AC units and Aerosol cans that made it, when these amount of there's chemicals used when down(I think they were banned in the US) the ozone hole started to repair itself
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Few things wrong here. There was no such thing as a climate scientist claiming 100% certainty of an ice age due to the ozone hole. That's fake news entirely. At least, if there was, they were not in an academic environment, and were not speaking on behalf of academia and through the scientific method. There's skeptics about each and everything, however what's important is hard data and peer-reviewed research, not how convinced a skeptic is of something. There was a trend in the 70's which climate scientists suspected a period of global cooling should occur because of the periodic cycles of natural climate change. This was quickly thrown out when the temperature data suggested the opposite was occurring, contrary to what was suppose to be happening in terms of the natural climate cycle. We are not concerned with select anomalies in immediate temperature. We are concerned with an abnormal trend in temperature anomalies over a period of time. To point at some hot year in the past is not an argument. Solar irradiance cannot possibly compensate for the amount of warming we've seen. It cannot even compensate for a majority of it. Neither can volcanism, nor the two combined. I can provide you with studies examining this exact topic. Solar irradiance is not something that is being overlooked whatsoever. I realize you are not trying to debate against climate change, but your skepticism falls very short of convincing.
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Edited by Flee: 7/31/2017 10:17:32 PM[quote]I'm not saying that climate change isn't real. Here are some real facts.[/quote]This should be good. [quote]In the 1980's, scientists predicted that if carbon emissions did not lessen drastically in order to fix the hole in the ozone, there would be a new ice age by the 2030s (they had said within 50 years). They asserted this with 100% certainty.[/quote]You're talking about the 70's. You're also wrong. Please don't present poor propaganda and a terrible misrepresentation of what happened as "real facts". What you suggest happened is extremely overstated, misleading and not at all accurate. It's widely debunked and no one familiar with the topic considers it worth a damn. https://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html http://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.5.8199/full/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/10/27/an-exquisite-debunking-of-global-cooling-claims/ http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/the-global-cooling-myth/ https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/global-cooling-was-a-myth.html http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1 [quote]The hottest weather on record, according to climate scientists who compare actual written records from history with tree-ring studies to corroborate the evidence was in the 11th century.[/quote]This is demonstrably false. The 11th century was part of a phenomenon known as the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period]Medieval Warm Period[/url]. While it got pretty damn hot back then, the 20th century is [url=http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch6s6-6.html]even warmer[/url]. The period "was not a time of globally uniform change", "but globally the Medieval Warm Period was cooler than recent global temperatures", as by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Other research confirms that this period was likely "slightly cooler globally (by 0.03 °C) then than in the early and mid-20th century". http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1579/0044-7447-29.1.51 https://web.archive.org/web/20160330214626/http://grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=%2Fclimate%2Fipcc_tar%2Fwg1%2Findex.htm http://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5644/404 [quote]There is evidence to suggest that earth's climate is significantly affected by solar activity. Solar flare activity has been more active in recent years than previously observed on average, which may indicate that this solar activity may, in part, be causing global warming/climate change symptoms.[/quote]Evidence which came exclusively from some of the few anthropogenic climate change deniers and that has been debunked very, very thoroughly by a lot of much higher quality research. http://science.sciencemag.org/content/302/5644/404 http://grist.org/climate-energy/no-global-warming-isnt-caused-by-solar-flares-or-cosmic-rays/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sun-spots-and-climate-change/ https://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm https://phys.org/news/2010-04-scientists-errors-hypothesis-linking-solar.html https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11650-climate-myths-global-warming-is-down-to-the-sun-not-humans/ [quote]There is no reason to think that one industry is more good or evil than the other. Each industry will leverage whatever it can for maximum profit.[/quote]Except for, you know, one industry demonstrably polluting and destroying much of our planet while the other aspires scientific progress, more efficient energy sources, sustainable growth and stuff like that. Surely there is no way at all for us to ascertain who might the better guys here! [quote]So like I said, I'm not trying to say that climate change isn't real, but I'm humbly suggesting that when a politician cites a politically funded study in order to get people to behave a certain way that supports their interests, or to try and generate income, do not blindly believe everything they say and to research the facts yourself. [/quote]People like you are the absolute worst. The only thing you're "humbly" doing is presenting unscientific drivel with undeserved credibility in such a way that anyone with the slighest understanding of this issue can see through in a heartbeat, but those who are equally uneducated and poorly informed will end up doing exactly what you're accusing others of: "blindly believing bullshit some random on a video game forum tells you". Take your own advice. Educate yourself. Actually read about this and don't just delude yourself into thinking that widely debunked fringe theories paid for by oil companies are in any way, shape or form a reasonable counterweight to the literal tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers showing just how wrong you are. This is downright pathetic, becaues no matter how bold or brazen the facts, there's still going to be clueless people out there who will read your post and leave this thread thinking your demonstarbly incorrect drivel has any real merit to it. Shame on you.
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You're the god damn superman!
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Give em hell