I remain unsurprised by the ignorance in the comment section, sadly. I wonder what it will take to get these people (mostly conservatives) to understand what a crisis this is becoming. When will people figure out that they don't know as much about this as scientists who study it [i]professionally[/i]?
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Oh boy. Now you've done it. You called most people on this site ignorant conservatives. I'll see you in two weeks when you climb out of the sh*tstorm.
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I'm not gonna make it out, man. Glad this is just an alt, so I can abandon it.
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Eject now, while you still can!!
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I probably should...
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What is the solution. Please enlighten me. People bitching about it is useless and creates unnecessary panics. There is already a lot of money going to towards cleaner form of pretty much everything. So what else is there to do?
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[quote]What is the solution. Please enlighten me. People bitching about it is useless and creates unnecessary panics. There is already a lot of money going to towards cleaner form of pretty much everything. So what else is there to do?[/quote] There are many things you can do, as a matter of fact. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2017/01/23/nine-things-you-can-do-about-climate-change/amp/ http://www.davidsuzuki.org/what-you-can-do/top-10-ways-you-can-stop-climate-change/ http://globalwarming-facts.info/50-tips/2/ http://m.greenpeace.org/international/en/high/campaigns/climate-change/Solutions/What-you-can-do/ https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/climate-change-what-you-can-do I, myself, partake in quite a few of these. Here are just a few things I do. 1) I drive a hybrid to a bus stop, then use the bus to get to work. 2) All of my light bulbs have been changed to compact fluorescent bulbs. 3) I don't use standby modes on any electrical devices. 4) I buy organically when possible. I try to avoid beef, specifically, and eat mostly turkey and chicken for meat. 5) I very rarely use the temperature control in my house. There are many more things I do, but those are just a few. It takes minimal effort. I'd highly recommend trying it. As for creating a panic, no one's [i]panicking[/i] yet. Leave that to our kids, eh? Not our problem. We won't be alive for that. We have many billions of dollars per year going in to finding a solution, and while progress is being made, there's no "just flick the switch to turn it off" quite yet, unfortunately. More money is more progress, and under the current administration, it doesn't look like we'll be going anywhere for the next three and a half years. Hope this addresses your question and statements.
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All of those things will cause an impact of 0.00000000000001% it will take the entire world doing that to make any real difference.
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So? Someone has to start somewhere. Enough people doing it will make a difference. No one doing anything will make no difference. That mentality falls in to the latter. Enough people are already doing it that it is making a difference, just not much of one.
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[quote] I buy organically when possible[/quote] Organic is s bullshit meme and has nothing to do with better agricultural practices. In fact they can even be more wasteful, especially when compared to GMO crops. Buy local, sure, but organic is -blam!-ing crap.
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Really? I had no knowledge of this. If you don't mind, could you cite a source? If you're right (and I haven't looked in to this topic much) I'll absolutely switch.
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None of those solve the problem so anything else? Even if you got all of the US to do it (they can't because most people don't make enough money to do it) it wouldn't change anything. Also, hybrid cars are a joke and are just as bad as regular cars. You still have to get your energy from somewhere. Light bulbs still use electricity. I doubt most people use standby modes on anything. And buses are extremely inconvenient and or nonexistent in most places in the US (my town doesn't have any). The only way to actually make a change would be to go completely solar or hydro power and the entire planet would have to do it which they can't because it's extremely expensive right now. Good on you for trying but it's not helping anything I assure you.
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If you're saying that most Americans can't afford to buy organic, I'm pretty sure I saw a National Geographic article a couple years ago that found grocery store-bought ingredients to make meals cost about the same as getting fast food, but the main reason people don't buy the ingredients is they don't want to or don't have the time to cook. Not sure which magazine issue it was from though.
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Organic meat is silly expensive. If you're talking about the normal stuff then yes it's about the same cost.
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I'm talking regular stuff. Vegetables, fruits, etc. stuff you'd find in a regular grocery store.
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Edited by pyre: 7/31/2017 7:13:03 PM[quote]None of those solve the problem so anything else? Even if you got all of the US to do it (they can't because most people don't make enough money to do it) it wouldn't change anything. Also, hybrid cars are a joke and are just as bad as regular cars. You still have to get your energy from somewhere. Light bulbs still use electricity. I doubt most people use standby modes on anything. And buses are extremely inconvenient and or nonexistent in most places in the US (my town doesn't have any). The only way to actually make a change would be to go completely solar or hydro power and the entire planet would have to do it which they can't because it's extremely expensive right now. Good on you for trying but it's not helping anything I assure you.[/quote] Several things. Yes, the economy's not in a position to allow this to happen. I'm not denying that. Your statement about hybrid cars is simply misinformed. Yes, they use energy, but get better miles per gallon because of an internal combustion engine that can be powered by an electric motor and battery. See this article for more information. http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/how-do-hybrids-work#.WX99akFOmEc Your statement about the light bulbs was also misinformed. Compact fluorescent light bulbs use the less energy to create light than incandescent bulbs, because it uses electricity to excite gas within a glass tube, which goes on the create several reactions after that, producing light. I can go further in to detail if you'd like. Traditional incandescent bulbs simply heat a filament to produce light, but about 90% of that energy is wasted as heat. That's why CFL's are use less energy for the same amount of light produced. I know multiple people who use standby modes on multiple things, but this could easily be area-specific. I live just outside a large city, which is why that works for me. To my understanding, public transportation is becoming increasingly available in many areas of the US, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I assume that most places larger than a mid-size town have at least one bus. As for solar/hydroelectric power, yes, and leaps and bounds are being made frequently. Hopefully economies will advance enough, along with the technology, that this becomes a viable option within the next few decades. It's unlikely, but probably our only hope at this point, unless some massive changes happen with the entire world's economy. It is helping. Not much, I'm one of 7,000,000,000, but enough people doing it can, and [i]will[/i] make a difference. I hope this has been informative. Edit: grammar.
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The large companies are the ones that actually meed to make a change. We, the people, only make up a very very small percentage compared to them.
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Okay? That doesn't change anything. It's still beneficial to try. Taking a defeatist attitude will only cause this to happen faster.
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No, not what I'm saying. I'm saying we have to go after the companies and get them to change. We literally make no difference by changing what we do. There's no point.
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[quote]We literally make no difference by changing what we do.[/quote] That's not true. Yes, companies need to change, but the general populous can help too.
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Not really. We have such a small impact that it doesn't matter. It's not worth the inconvenience.
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That's simply untrue.
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Nope. Truth.
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I realize those things use less energy but they still use energy. To make a difference doing those things the entire planet would have to change and even then the difference wouldn't be that big. My town is a pretty big one just outside of a large city and we don't have buses. Neither do any of the other big towns near mine. Even the city itself has a very poor public transport system. The only thing to do is wait for science to make enough progress to really make a change. The only thing that will actually make a difference at least.
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Slowing down the process is not the same as letting it continue at the same rate it is now. Slowing it down gives scientists more time to figure this stuff out. As for the buses, I'd choose to either bike or drive a hybrid, it's up to you. I'm surprised to hear that though, it's quite unfortunate.
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Biking to the city would take me about 2 hours and it would be on a highway where cars travel 70+ mph so I'll pass on that. And I'm a gear head so I will never own a hybrid car unless it's like the mclaren P1