I concur. When I played the alpha and beta, yes there was an open alpha in June 2014, it made me "thirsty" for Destiny, loved it. And then year 2 and 3 hit and it got stale. I love the game, has great potential here. I know this is only the beta and Bungie didn't drop everything now, but when 9/6 rolls around they need to drop at least 20 megatons on us. If not I already know where this road is going.

I only have one thing to say, 4 vs 4 sucks, that is all. Well two things to say, here is the second, I also will not be buying the game due to said 4 vs 4.

There's some really cool new stuff in the beta. - new supers - new abilities (I really like the reload/dodge one) - new guns, maps, strikes, ships, missions, etc There is also some really bad stuff - super charge time - grenades (charge time and effectiveness) - weak guns (I hope they left the good stuff for the actual game. I admit I'm not blow away by the beta but there's enough good in it for me to want to play the actual game. I think too many people are raging because it isn't the same as D1. The sad thing is that most people said D2 would just be a reskin and when it isn't people flip out. For me, it's enough like D1 to make want to play it because I loved D1 and it's different enough that I don't feel like I'm playing the same game. We will see for sure in September

A lot of us agree year one was best until year 2 of nerf nerf nerf instead of like u said giving buffs why did they take away our 2000 different ways of subclass abilities for 36 so stupid shoulder charge and self res that was the one good thing about the warlock was self res so stupid bungo ruining another game franchise destiny should have kept the original developers and it would have delivered on all its promises now we just get empty I said that after an hour of playing D2 that it just didn't feel like destiny anymore it used to be way more competitive and so much better bungie a motto take away everything we love each year nerf all our fav weapons and abilities out of exsistance so stupid bungie so stupid get rip destiny I knew it even before the beta I've been saying it for years they just reskin and nerf everything year after year

So true! They need to focus on what's fun! 4v4 isn't that. Variety of gameplay and PvE challenges!

Going off of your title you're 3 years too late. Great would of been this company actually sticking with the concept of the game. Not lets keep changing everything that they ended up with a messed up Halo.

Was originally turned off by the title, but damn that post is on point. I agree completely. I've also been a longtime fanboi/desticle. But this beta has me really concerned. Not gonna lie, I'll be here September 6. But I'm hoping it's [b]MUCH[/b] improved. Fingers crossed.

Well said my friend. Spot on and I ain't even British!

I absolutely agree with everything you say. Unfortunately Bungie will not listen as they have proven over the course of the last 3 years. It's a shame that they are destroying what had the potential to be a far superior franchise than call of duty. I myself am playing world at war because it is more fun than destiny now

I read that Activision plans to remedy the past lack of content of D1 by keeping a steady flow of new content updates being released for D2. Tbh I don't want more of what I saw in the D2 beta. I sure hope the final release is better. If not fine, I'll still play but not a whole lot. Played the beta for about an hour before going back to The Division. [i]The Division[/i]. I kid you not.

They -blam!-ed up this game pretty bad

No Gajhlahorn as it was before, no Thorn, no vex, no 6 vs 6, this destiny 2 is a regression in fun. Boredom is the master word for this piece of trash

pvp is fine!!! i'm all for it... deliverance could of been better, no patrol and y1 beta players got to leave with beta guns, oh no special ammo? ...good because if it was there and you had sniper,shotgun and fusion it would take power ammo space with one person getting 4 bullets , and heavey dropping once per match at the end(supers) it would be the only way to balance the game, at least scrubs can come in actually get kills now destiny is balanced leave it bro.

Yeah play destiny1

Pvp is the best improvement (i think)! I absolutely hated the first games pvp, and now I think that it's actually really good,which requires teamwork and skill

It's a beta.

[quote]This game will never be competitive without the right technical standards. No Dedicated servers, no 60FPS, no 60/60Hz Tickrate, no healthy Netcode, no Anticheat, no Theatre Mode, Pings above 500ms allowed, etc. All of these facts make this game too flawed to call it "competitive".[/quote] I refuse to believe you because some 15 year old uneducated streamer said that "special kind of peer to peer is 10 times better than dedicated servers".

[quote]Sorry Bungie, Destiny 2 is NOT Destiny anymore. Sure, it looks and plays the same, has the same enemies with the exact same non existing AI, it has the same Atheon/Quodron/Gatelord reskins as bosses. Pretty boring for players that played this game for thousands of hours, but okay...not a bad thing in general. The problem is that you don't feel like a One Man Army Superhero anymore. Everything that made this Franchise great in Y1 has been stripped and watered down over the years to the point where those things don't even matter anymore. Primary weapons feel uneffective and bland, specials are rare to the point they're unimportant, heavies don't even exist anymore, abilities and supers are weak and/or not availiable most of the time what makes tactical approaches uncommon, jumps and overall movement feels slow, etc. It just feels boring and dumbed down. And PvP? It's even worse. I loved the PvP in Y1 because it was fun. I felt like a force that can take on three enemies at a time with using my nade, special or super to my advantage. When I became smarter in using my abilities, I got more kills. But those abilities weren't dominating at all. In fact Primaries felt great too and they always were my main goto kill source. Abilities were just awesome additions that made this game stand out and more fun that any other generic shooter. Yes, Y1 PvP had flaws. But instead of finetuning in bit by bit and foxing the really important things (technical standards are the main problem), you threw huge roundhousekick-patches on the servers that often felt totally untested. For example: Suros was a great weapon that was a bit better than other weapons and you destroyed all Autorifles because of that instead of pushing other weapons up. After that it slowly went downhill with every patch. In fact all the countless special weapon nerfs wouldn't have been necessary if Primaries would kill in 0,6-0,8s like Suros did back then. Of course a slow TTK on Primaries forces the players to exploit ohk abilities or weapons more. That's why Destiny 1 is just Stickies and Icebreaker/Sidearms right now. Those kill fast and have ammo. It's not the players fault, it's yours. In D2 you're making it even worse by taking literally all the power away from the player and STILL use the same crappy technical standards that are the main problem in D1. Grenades and melees are powerless, Specials not there 90% of the time, Heavies gone, Supers are panic-spammed against each other at the end of the match. Everything is focused on teamshooting with slow killing Primaries which is a chore for any casual soloplayer that isn't a mlg pro...so basically at least 70-80% of your playerbase. Why to do try to make another Halo Wannabe out of a Game that shined because it was DIFFERENT from Halo, CoD or BF? Why forcing sweaty teambased gameplay upon all of us where everyone teamshots other down with peas? Why do you desperately try to make this game "competitive"? Why not focus on what made Destiny great at the beginning: Fun? To make it clear: This game will never be competitive without the right technical standards. No Dedicated servers, no 60FPS, no 60/60Hz Tickrate, no healthy Netcode, no Anticheat, no Theatre Mode, Pings above 500ms allowed, etc. All of these facts make this game too flawed to call it "competitive". Is that a bad thing? Only for players that want competitive gaming...not the majority of Destiny players. It's not for the casual player that want's to feel like a superhero and wants to have fun with his superhero abilities and awesome weapons to get a few kills. Please Bungie...look back at what you've done to this game. It's not the same anymore. Compare Vanilla D1 Gameplay to D2 Beta gameplay and tell me that all those changes made this Franchise better. There were a lot of good changes indeed...but many many dumb decisions. And making this game more like Halo is definitely not a good decision. Make Destiny great again! If not, you'll lose at least one of your loyal Destiny fanboys. And I don't think I'm the only one thinking this way. Cheers and thanks for reading. PS: This is not my main account. TeddyNutz is...but I got anoher temp ban for using a word even though I censored it by myself. Yes, I'm a bit emotional sometimes.[/quote] You are right! Destiny 2 is just a badly nerfed version of Destiny 1! I've already cancelled my pre order there are just too many good games out there to screw around with this badly mangled money cow. Guardians unite and just say NO!

[quote] Suros was a great weapon that was a bit better than other weapons and you destroyed all Autorifles because of that instead of pushing other weapons up. After that it slowly went downhill with every patch. [/quote] I was thinking about this the other day, the vex mythoclast was so good until bungie decides it needed a nerf. Thus nerfing all fusion rifles into the ground. So i thought maybe they should put the exotics in their own weapon 'class' so they could just nerf the vex a bit without touching the other fusions, or nerf suros without rendering most AR's useless. I thought the weapons were not too op to begin with, since you can only wield one exotic and they were harder to get.