From one vet to another brother I'm finding the changes well, but off. We have very little options in Destiny to make the plays we did in Halo. I feel like they're mixing whiskey with water here. That isn't to say I haven't been doing exceptionally well in Beta, I have and while mostly solo queue. Don't get me wrong, I like it but it's just.....off.

D1 pvp is broken because bungie made it broken through the worst balances aka nerfs in history of gaming.

Excuse me, year 1 pvp was amazing. Year 2 it started going downhill, and year 3 it was atrocious. Destiny 2 pvp is even worse because everything was nerfed, (no more 3 tap handcannons) and also recharge abilities take longer and special ammo got the drop rate of heavy ammo. It's just not fun in my opinion. In control, there are no close wins. It's always something like 75-25. The recharge ability cool down is probably longer because it's 4v4. SO, bring back 6v6. That's all.

D2 pvp is worse than d1 pvp. Its a team shooting simulator cover shooter. Rewarding camping and hiding.

I like the speed of D1 pvp.

Yeah its better but its still an frustrating pvp experience for me. Even when I'm playing well I'm looking round for my team mates thinking wtf are you guys doing, the objective is this way!! I've also had one teleporting enemy and twice when my bullets didn't do damage and I've only played about 4 matches. Destiny's community doesn't know how to ptfo. Bungie should know this.

The problem is it's being forced into a competitive direction. Destiny was not and should never be geared and aimed for a competitive pvp scenario. Its an rpg game with added pvp. This game was never meant for esports, and they are trying WAY to hard to make it into one. They should keep the 4v4 but also add the 6v6 back. Or even bigger teams. But most of all they need to keep pvp and pve separate. And stop trying to force this game into an esports cash cow.

Lol. They fixed a few things and wrecked the rest. D2 is dumbed down pvp for scrubs. They even nerfed the stats to make people feel better.

I think the mistake you are making is comparing Destiny to other arena FPS. Games like Halo 3 are long gone just like many other genres before it. Ie collectathons for example. Take a look at every Halo post 3 literally population goes to 10-20k after a month. I think you need to look at Destiny as a new breed. Arena fps is oversaturated, the gameplay of d2 is hardly comparable to even non enjoyable Halo gameplay. At this point I think youre pulling a meags with this thread. Although Id hardly call the entirety of the Destiny comunity a vocal minority its been in the media, the pvp tryhards who want a competitive game are a very very small percentage probably the smallest. Elo on quickplay makes literally no sense, who at 1400-2000 elo wants to play at that level every day all day i sure dont. I agree with most of your other points. I would prefer if supers were actually useful thats one of my only complaints and weapon damage being non exhistant.

It's hardly light years, D2 is balls right now. The game speed and ttk are so slow, you could have a fap session and still be alive standing out in the open... Don't be silly, this game is for kids with the gun skill of a turtle riding a unicorn.

Your username says it all. [spoiler]Halo fanboy[/spoiler] Take your halo sh!t outta here and give me back the Destiny I loved.

Don't you guys find it funny that the people that sucked at destiny 1 pvp praise destiny 2 pvp? Can't be because team shooting people is much easier than actually being a good 1v1/2/3 player..... OH WAIT. Team shooting is actually easier than that. Silly me, tricks are for kids.

Nah it's pretty bad and boring. My ultra sweaty 4 man came up against another ultra sweaty 4 man team last night. Twice in a row. In the first game they took control of B first and camped it the entire match. They wiped the floor with us. In the second game we took control of B first and camped it and we wiped the floor with them. Neither games were close. Both team had equally highly skilled players. With abilities, ammo, weapon damage and movement speed being so low, the options for making plays or getting teams out of position are extremely limited. Both those games were boring and shit. Losing sucked but winning gave no sense of accomplishment. In the game we won i killed their fision rifle dude with my fusion rifle then kill 4 more guys with my fusion rifle unopposed. Oh and the connections still sucked ass. I'm worried about Destiny 2.

I'm in 100% total agreement and here is why and I'm saying this to everyone who bitching and complaining about the rage on destiny 2. 1. Guys this isn't about sticky grenade kills anymore if u can't Handle that go back to destiny 1 after September and stay there. 2. This isn't about using secondary weapons and camping corners with snipers and side arms and shotguns or any of special weapon this isn't about camping with weapons period if you can't Handle that go back to destiny 1 after September and stay there 3. This isn't about super spamming anymore that's why super energy us so slow because we don't want destiny 1 BS in D2 so if you can't Handle that then after September go back to destiny 1 and stay there 4. This is about having fun FOR -blam!-ING ONCE this about straight up gun fights and balance all the way through the system that has been implemented in this game is made to ensure that people actually get to have fun and have to learn to adapt and actually get good people actually have to learn to work together and communicate if they want to win the days of run and gun are gone done over with if people can't Handle all this once September is here then go back to destiny 1 and stay there. I for one love wat I have seen in D2 I know everyone has an opinion and tbh I respect people's opinions but to all you scrublicious hates out there if your response to anything in destiny 2 is "omg I hate this" for any reason then I suggest you do two this 1. Learn to appreciate that bungie actually gives you people anything 2. If you can't accept answer 1 then go back to destiny 1 after September and stay there I don't give a -blam!- if people hate me for saying my opinion but I love destiny 2 and I love the direction bungie has taken destiny 2 in if they keep this up then destiny 2 is gonna be beyound amazing both in September and well after September. This game has finally got a purpose again, have fun, keep balance and if balance is tampered with then bungie is gonna fix it or refine it so that the balance stays the way it is now in the current beta and that's not gonna -blam!-ing change if people can't accept this is the amazing future of destiny from here on out then once September comes around go back to destiny 1 and stay there. Simply put " excellent -blam!-ing job bungie" keep up the awesome work

I genuinely don't understand what people are looking for in this game because everyone keeps comparing it to halo and I don't want to play -blam!-ing halo or anything like that in a game where I'm literally an immortal war machine that slings around weaponized light. Yea some abilities were pretty bullshit (I'm looking at you destiny shoulder charge/sith lord melee) but that's what made the pvp destiny. This isn't -blam!-ing csgo or halo, abilities should be a focal point of all gameplay.