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originally posted in: 100th aniversary of the US in WW1
4/9/2017 7:22:58 AM
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I'm not even going to allow this the dignity of being argued against.
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  • Because you can't argue it.

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  • I will, however point you in the direction that Russia wasn't in the slightest requiring of aid.

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  • Right. Because opening a whole new front against the Germans and deviding their army wasn't aid. Russia would have lost had Germany concentrated everything on them.

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  • That isn't the question. The question is whether America was the deciding factor of it.

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  • Edited by Cannon011: 4/9/2017 8:23:45 PM
    Ok, so then look at this. Before America showed up we have: Poland, Czechoslovakia, most of Western Russia all the way to Moscow, Greece, and most of Northern Africa under German control. This is not including the Pacific. Britain was on the verge of being invaded by the Germans, and they were horrendously outnumbered. They won the battle of Brittain and a few skirmishes in Africa, but thisbonly delayed the Germans. El Alieman was won only with overwhelming numbers against Rommel, and they had yet to win any other large scale victories. Then the US arrives: Rommel pushed out of Africa, chased across Scicily, and eventually across Italy which was mostly American troops fighting him. D-day opened a new front which devided German forces between the allies and Russia, and who got the hardest beach? The Americans. Americans were the first into Paris. Americans were the ones to hold the line at tge Battle of the Bulge. An American (Dwight D. Eisenhower) was the Supreme Commander of all allied forces. The Brits managed to creat Operation Market Garden, which failed. The US were the first across the Rhine River. The US was more feared by Rommel than the British. And then we also almost single handedly won the war in Japan, with just a little help, at the exact same time. Tell me how the United States wasn't a decisive factor? We were [i][b]the deciding factor.[/b][/i]

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  • Thats Funny. I thought that was WW2.

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  • You were talking about WW2. You said Russia wasn't requiring aid. In WW1, Russia suffered some of the biggest embarrassments of their history, such as Tanenburg. Then the Bolshevik revolution. They dropped out just befote tge US showed up, which meant Germany had a bunch of fresh troops on their way.

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  • If I were to fall over and someone were to help me up, would that mean they were the only reason I got up?

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  • That analogy makes no sense in this situation. Russia had a civil war half way through and sued Germany for peace in WW1. France was at tge point that their soldiers were refusing to leave the trenches and attack. Brittain made a few gains at Cambrai, but was unable to shatter the German line. Germany had more troops on the way, and Britain was sorely outnumbered. The U.S. then showed up with nearly 3 million troops, and broke the German line at Argonne. Germany sued for peace. The war ended. Britain would not have broken the Hindenburg line alone, and there is a good chance the Germans would have broken through with their own offensive, since all those troops that were fighting Russia were now free to help with Britain.

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  • Right. Because opening a whole new front against the Germans and deviding their army wasn't aid. Russia would have lost had Germany concentrated everything on them.

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