[quote][quote]Remember y1 shotgun were op af but they weren't used as primaries....... u know y because TLW, Thorn, red death, and a few others melted people that tried to shotty rush. Specials aren't the problem primary game is to weak.[/quote] Yeah shotguns were a pretty big problem in year 1. Sure TLW helped deal with it but if you don't remember how ridiculous shot package felwinters was your not remembering right.[/quote] This. Shot package was the most retarded shit ever added into the game. Far more aids than -Final Round/Luck in The Chamber on snipers -The Last Word -Thorn -Hawkmoon -Blink (although it wasn't op, just annoying to fight against since its counters were nerfed to the ground) -Hammer of Sol Shot package shouldn't have been nerfed. It should have been removed from the get go. But, at the same time not nerf the spread too on shotguns because it makes shot package more reliable, which is why it got removed later on. [spoiler]coming from a guy who was so bad Alf of y1 half of my kills are from shotguns (universal remote and the TDB new monarchy shotgun) and I still haven't been able to get more primary kills rip[/spoiler]