Time to dismantle nlb. Edit: next meta ice ice breaker baby! ;) Edit 2: The solution to not nerf no land would be to bring back year 1 primary damage value. Now Bungie should reduce flinch to how it was before for all snipers but bring back year 1 primary damage to contest snipers including no flinch beyond. But the sandbox team doesn't know how to do that I guess. Edit 3: quoted from Dang Lmao about a good balance change [quote]Primaries performed efficiently, secondaries performed efficiently. Heavies performed efficiently. At the point of HoW, the only changes that were needed to make this game fun and balanced were: -AR's buffed -Slight tweaks to scouts, Mayne extra weapon handling and more base flinch for all archetypes -Removal of shotpackage -Removal of final round and LiTC on snipers -Fusion rifle buff That's it. Everything would've been usable. You call the situation we're in now, balanced ? You call the route bungie is taking is promoting balance in this game ? That's hilarious. PR's and hc's are still top performing. Sidearms just took the position of matador, even with the up coming changes, sidearms will still remain the most used secondary. I think you need to look in the mirror and tell yourself [b][i]YOU[/i][/b] don't know what proper balance is.[/quote] Edit 4: quoted from Blade329 on how nerfs are justified [quote]Next on the list will definitely be Ice Breaker. I think I have to check the criteria to see if it deserves a nerf as well. 1. Is the gun good and effective 2. I don't use or have the gun 3. Did I get killed by it more than once in a match 4. Is it used heavily in Trials of Osiris. If the answer is YES to 2 or more of these questions then I must DEMAND A NERF!!!! I must also utter the customary Destiny player whine quote, "Waaaaaaahhh....I got killed by an Ice Breaker. Nerf it. I can't compete!!!!" Just in case it's not obvious, I am being heavily sarcastic. LOL.[/quote] Edit 5: best satire post for next "this week at bungie" by Vu1canB1itz [quote]Ice breaker is next to be on the chopping board, how? Bungie: About to break the ice to all of the brave guardians. Yes, we're talking about the crucibles and trials fan favorite. After last update, many guardians had chosen and a new king was born, "The Ice Breaker". There was many voice and mix feeling about the "new meta". And we had listened to your feedback, while looking at datas and crunching numbers. After many weeks of coding and test play, our weapons sandbox team had finally came up with the solution to address the current situation. So here are the new adjustment for the Ice Breaker and we also making a few more tuning on other things but lets save that for another time because I have no time to explain why I don't have time to explain (hahaha... See, Deej? I made another funny). 1.Adjust Ice Breaker ammo regen timer to be inline with the spawn time of special ammo crate in the crucible (same change carry over to PvE) 1.1 Increase ammo regen time to 10 seconds per bullet 1.2 Ammo will be received in the same manner as the other brother "Invective", so instead of waiting for 1 ammo every 10 seconds, guardians now will get 6 rounds all at once to fill the magazine! 2.We had seen some unbelievable and amazing usage in the crucible play and we don't intend for the Ice Breaker to be used as a shotgun, rather to use it they way it was intended. Be patience and you will be rewarded. 2.1 Increasing zoom to the Icebreaker scope to the same value as EagleEye SLR20 = 9 2.2 Reduce base stability by -5 2.3 Add +10 to base recoil 3.We also took sometime examine other perks on the Ice Breker and found some to be similar and we like to change things up just to add more choice of game play and make you think a little more before choosing. 3.1 Quickdraw will now be remove and replace with Hot Swap 3.2 Custom Optic will replace Snapshot 4. We know that our guardians like to customizing the appearance of their guns and gears, so we are going to add 3 more ornaments for the Ice Breaker via our most trusted Eververse Trading, you will get to see it plus few more surprise next week on our twitch stream. That would conclude the adjustment for the Ice Breaker and now lets have a look at our recent MotW...[/quote] Video by dpj on nlb [spoiler]https://youtu.be/MdU3VxaZk0E[/spoiler] True vanguard video on nlb [spoiler]https://youtu.be/AOK8ns7umO4[/spoiler]