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Edited by Pancake Monk: 2/25/2017 7:26:33 PM
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Why I Think Defenders Got Nerfed And May Need A Buff

Aside from the Hungering Blade collateral, of course, Defenders were already hit hard by this patch. The special ammo nerf hit Defenders in the sweet spot: Their shotguns. Being unable to use shotguns renders armor of light essentially useless for defending territory, as you have no way to protect your bubble. Blessings and Weapons of Light are more PvE perks in my opinion, but when used in PvP, are in a good spot. 10+ armor builds got nerfed as well, so defenders can't tank as well. And now for suppressions. With invective as your only shotgun, what do you do in a panicked situation when a striker pounds you and your bubble into oblivion? You die! (or bait the super and kill him with primary) But this is much harder to do w/ nova bombs. 1 nova bomb already destroys your bubble, why should 2 MORE KILL YOU AND EVERYONE INSIDE? I think Nova bombs with shatter should deal less damage to make up for there being 3 of them. And Hammers. 2 measly hammers pop the bubble, which is outrageous. Then you have what, 4 hammers left to kill everyone inside, and with Explosive Pyre that is not too hard. These are my proposed changes: (may change) Increase the amount of damage a Ward of Dawn can sustain Decrease the amount of damage each Nova Bomb does with Shatter equipped (PvP only) Fist of Havoc does not kill guardians inside bubble when used from outside the bubble (Maybe) Nova bomb does not kill guardians inside bubble when used from outside the bubble Fist of Havoc cannot kill through solid surfaces (thin walls, bubble, etc.) This is it. Sorry for complaining. :P

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  • Edited by Sh8kexThatxBear: 3/4/2017 10:29:16 PM
    I just run a Universal Remote with sidearm. But I agree with the needed buff for Defenders

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  • I think the WoD needs more health....because if I recall a while back all offensive supers had their dmg buffed by 50% or so....if anything they need to buff the ward to compensate...and a good solution for special ammo problem is to get a shotgun that has replenish they work very well

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  • Shatter does do less damage per nova im pretty sure. And the fact that you need a specific perk to even have a chance to kill them i think is fair

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  • It takes 3 hammers to break a WoD.

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    • Just use invective

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    • Edited by Adaptability: 2/25/2017 5:25:05 PM
      The fact that I have to use the strongest ability in my arsenal to destroy your bubble is completely fine. Supers shut down other supers. It's a no Brainer that a foh will kill a blade, or a golden gun will kill a stormcaller, or a Nova bomb will kill a sunbreaker. The thought process is that if I want to counter it I have to use mine and hope I can beat you. Other wise I have to deal with you. You also forget that bladedancers and storm callers have a tremendously bad time dealing with ward of dawn, you need to 2 golden gun shots to destroy a bubble and you still need to use most of your hammers to destroy the bubble. Ward of dawn is extremely powerful considering the defensive and offensive edge you provide to your self and your teammates in both its long duration and massive buffs it provides. Also, you proposed nerfs to the other subclasses, such as nerfing fist of havoc and Nova bomb which will hurt them in a time when people are asking for buffs not constant nerfs. Do you realize that by reducing the damage of scatter you hurt it's pve ability? The Nova bomb doesn't need a single change neither does the fist of havoc, golden gun, shadow shot or hammer of sol.

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      • Defender main here. I feel like I was only slightly hurt by the update. The biggest thing for me wasn't the ammo nerf. It's the fact that I no longer get my health/armor fully restored when using my super thanks to the Hungering blade nerf. Placing the bubble has to be a bit more strategic. Yes, we did get a default nerf when they took our shotgun ammo. Yes, it sucks. And I'm a Chaperone user, which places further emphasis on making sure I don't miss my shots. As far as the subclass itself goes, it's fine. Strategy is always a Defender's best weapon. From placing Suppressors to placing a bubble, it becomes a chess game. You just need to know what you're doing before you do it.

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      • https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OIe1KtfpDzw Video of sandbox team discussing nerfing the defender

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