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Edited by kellen100:
2/20/2017 9:47:45 PM
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Opinions on Sidearm usage. Please share!
Edit: I could NOT BE ANY HAPPIER WITH THIS POST. We've been top 5 trending for several hours. Lots of opinions and conversations flowing. Salt has been kept at a wonderfully low level. I love when the community can come together and really talk things out. This is what destiny needs, and I'm so thankful and proud of every one here for being so passionate about the game we all love! GGs everyone.
[WARNING: OPINIONATED WALL OF TEXT INBOUND, Please feel free to skip and share opinions as you like]
So, lets talk about the sidearm, and it's overbearing presence in the crucible.
First off I'd like to state the obvious fact that sidearms are NOT OP and were quite rare before the update, aside from nlb users, and our dear friends TrueVanguard and Kjhovey.
Their TTK's range from a minimum of .6 to a maximum of .96 dependant on archetype and headshots landed. As impressive as that sounds their range holds them in a balanced position as powerful short ranged duelers, meant for back up and shotgun countering purposes, and work exactly as they should.
Now, and this is only my opinion, the distaste for sidearms at the moment isn't because of their power, it's simply that the ammo economy forces us into using them. A sidearm has the ability to over power any primary with ease, within its optimal range.
When you have no special, being a common occurrence in the current state of things, you are simply at a disadvantage to a sidearm user.
Ammo persists, more ammo is reimbursed on respawn if empty, and as it seems all this points to MORE slaying potential. This forces many into a position of "use this or do worse."
Did you enjoy being an aggressive sniper, despite the horrid nerfs? A shotty warrior maybe? Maybe you were that elusive fusion main who loves to go for crazy plan c swaps, or cross map people with a saladins. Maybe you feel upset that your aggressive playstyles were almost taken from you entirely, especially in the 6v6 playlist. You have every right to be. Because forcing someone into a style of gameplay they don't enjoy IS NOT BALANCE. It is a lazy and unprofessional attempt to stir the pot.
Bad move bungie. You may have forced primary fights, but you've removed a large portion of the fun for many.
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I'd rather have the shotgun meta Y2 pre-April update.
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I'd rather have the shotgun meta Y2 pre-April update.
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Buff nlb. Buff other specials. Gg bungie stop being nerds nerfing ur once half decent video game
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8 RepliesThe whole problem with pvp. Get rid of specials. Fixed.
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2 RepliesI don't mind seeing sidearms getting more play. But I don't like when you're forced into using them if you want special ammo. Because you don't really have a choice with the exception of slower paced matches. This is just in regards to Trials though. In regular Skirmish & Salvage I actually like the changes. It would be nice if you only lost half your special instead of all of it, but I honestly do feel more powerful when I have a shotgun now. & there's constant ammo up so it's really not bad. But when it comes to Trials, it's pretty unacceptable. You literally never have any special unless you run a sidearm :/
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I hate it, getting 4 tapped by a wormwood in .5 seconds isn't fun at all. I'd rather fight shotgun warriors. At least they were easy to bait.
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I never thought we'd see a Sidearm meta. Pathetic
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1 ReplyPeople keep overusing them and Bungie is going to nerf them ... use your primary.
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2 RepliesI love it...a secondary that rewards skill. Glad I kept a nice queens choice and wormwood. I still think mida is going to end up being the meta again.
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Maybe stepping on primary territory in some gun fights. Never really liked them, just find them annoying.
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1 ReplyThey need to be buffed
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I'm glad it's finally a fair fight when I'm destroying with it.
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I rock a eyasluna with double stickies on sunbreaker an it works for me against the sidearm bandwagoners but you have to stick an evade the side arm or it will result in a trade.
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9 RepliesEdited by og-ed-c: 2/20/2017 9:01:44 PMPeep the scenario: Trials of Osiris, I turn the corner and not 1 but all 3 of them are all crouched together, each one of them holding a Wormwood. I was vaporized instantly in a hail of teeny tiny little bullets. It was the creepiest thing I've seen in the Crucible. Kinda like walking into a dark room full of cats. Swapping to side arms from a shotty, fusion, or sniper ain't about adapting at this point, it's about survival. Where the hell is the fun in that? All this heart ache because they didn't want to do what was necessary with shot guns. They really do follow a very simple formula. If you want stopping power then you sacrifice range and rate of fire, If you want rate of fire you sacrifice stopping power and accuracy. F@#k it, whats done is done at this point.
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Pew pew
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my thoughts on sidearms summarized in one image https://imgur.com/gallery/QfTkK
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94 RepliesQuestion to everyone - did you use sidearms before the patch? Why now? Think before you answer. No...you didn't think. Really think about it. Yep - that is correct...YOU ARE a follower - not a leader. Don't worry - you weren't meant to lead. Just have fun and hope they don't nerf sidearms due to overuse.
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I think you're dead on with your comments on playstyle. Running shotgun now is so much more of a risky playstyle since they (rightly) made changes to them AND if you lose the encounter you have to go foraging for ammo. Also I'm happy some people love primaries but cutting off your nose to spite your face is just stupid. These weapons should be an important factor in crucible matches, not relegated to all sidearms, NLB, and Icebreaker. Boring.
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7 RepliesEdited by KitsuneSonow: 2/21/2017 12:06:49 AMPeople in this game rely too much on special ammo to the point they are willing to use a completely shit (PVP) weapon instead of even trying to learn to use their primaries as their main source of combat. What is even more sad is you actually have a good bit of people who are retarded enough to sit, [b][u]FOR A FULL [i]F[/i]UCKING MINUTE[/u][/b], at a goddamned special crate and then have the audacity to complain that the game is slowing down. Well not shit it's gonna slow down when all you do is camp at an ammo crate all [b]f[/b]ucking day, what the [b]f[/b]uck do you expect? At the very least I have played games where SOME people get this and the pacing is fine, though sadly there is some imbalances still with primaries, the pace is pretty much the same. Only when I do end up with the aforementioned mentally handicapped does the game slow down, and I shit you not, I literately have seen my own teammates crouch next to a crate and sit there most of the game just to get special ammo which is ridiculous, in that time they could have been helping to get kills, but instead they choose to slow the game and become a hindrance. I am not saying Bungie hasn't [b]f[/b]ucked up a lot, but some of the issues with the game are purely due to player's behaviors and sitting at crates and slowing down the game is one of them.
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I use side arms because I play aggressive and die a lot so there's little point in having no special ammo most of the time. That said I think if the current ammo retention bug is fixed they will be balanced
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I've been playing with Hawksaw Trespasser and it has become my go to loadout now
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Sidearms are bound to get an ammo nerf. They'll probably change it so that you lose all ammo gained from special crates and go back to the standard ammo amount on respawn aka two mags
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1 ReplyI feel better about pvp and LOVE IT ha but at the same time is it really fair for shotgun and legendary sniper people? I mean they don't get ammo and are forced to used side arms soooo its useless to have these guns
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1 ReplyLet's see, bungie put a lot of things in the ground except sidearms. Did you people expect something different? Everybody and their mothers are flocking to whatever weapon the streamers and youtubers find amazing.
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1 ReplyI've got 14 total kills with that useless, forced archetype that (before now) few used, and fewer asked for. Side arms suck, I won't be coerced into using them, and shame on Bungie for so obviously forcing their use. I guess I'll play a few nightfalls, a few strikes, but "F" the crucible.
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1 ReplyI just do my best to adapt but I'll still play my game and I won't let a particular meta dictate what weapons I'll use. I like using different shit even at the cost of my k/d because it's fun trying different load outs and testing new weapons. That's my favorite thing about pvp. Getting something new , leveling it up and trying it out.
