"I sometimes wish I'd never been born at aaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllll." Doesn't give you the goddamn right to kill another -blam!-ing human
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Sadly, a fetus isn't sentient at first. It's cells and nothing else until all the necessary things form. The baby is then born. An abortion when the fetus is cells is okay. It's not sentient. I don't believe that aborting once the fetus gains sentience is okay. Now -blam!- victims? They can do whatever. Nobody should cause more problems for them after what happened.
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[quote]Sadly, a fetus isn't sentient at first. It's cells and nothing else until all the necessary things form. The baby is then born. An abortion when the fetus is cells is okay. It's not sentient. I don't believe that aborting once the fetus gains sentience is okay.[/quote] Somebody skipped Biology. So, sexual reproduction is not carried out by normal (diploid) cells, it is carried out by haploid cells. Haploid cells are formed from a process called Meiosis, which is different than the Mitosis that regular cells go through. Long story short, haploid cells have half as many chromosomes as most cells. Once they mingle (such as when sperm gets into an egg), the resulting product is a zygote, which is a separate human being from the mother that has its own set of DNA. Any questions? [quote]Now -blam!- victims? They can do whatever. Nobody should cause more problems for them after what happened.[/quote] They are not allowed to kill other humans, are they? Then why should they be allowed to kill babies?
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[quote]Somebody skipped Biology. So, sexual reproduction is not carried out by normal (diploid) cells, it is carried out by haploid cells. Haploid cells are formed from a process called Meiosis, which is different than the Mitosis that regular cells go through. Long story short, haploid cells have half as many chromosomes as most cells. Once they mingle (such as when sperm gets into an egg), the resulting product is a zygote, which is a separate human being from the mother that has its own set of DNA. Any questions?[/quote] Sentient would be a better word for that. My mistake. [quote]They are not allowed to kill other humans, are they? Then why should they be allowed to kill babies?[/quote] Never said that. If you were -blam!-, would you enjoy raising a kid that looks like your rapist? Would you go through unnecessary pain due to a mentally unstable person's libido? I support putting the offspring of -blam!- victims wherever they should go. If they're aborted, oh well. If they're put up for adoption, oh well. If they're taken care of and raised by the victim, good for them.
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[quote]Sentient would be a better word for that. My mistake.[/quote] Tell me this then, how do you know a zygote is not sentient? [quote]Never said that. If you were -blam!-, would you enjoy raising a kid that looks like your rapist?[/quote] 1. There is this amazing thing called adoption. 2. Just because you don't enjoy something doesn't mean you get to kill someone. [quote]Would you go through unnecessary pain due to a mentally unstable person's libido?[/quote] No, but you shouldn't kill an innocent child. If you are going to kill anyone, it should be the rapist. [quote]I support putting the offspring of -blam!- victims wherever they should go. If they're aborted, oh well. If they're put up for adoption, oh well. If they're taken care of and raised by the victim, good for them.[/quote] So you are treating them as if they are not human.
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Jesus Christ man, you don't get to call me out on being inhumane (which I'm not) if you don't care about traumatized -blam!- victims. Also, let me know when you find a zygote that can think. I'm fairly certain a pile of cells can't do that. But hey, your imaginary friend's big book of secrets states that you shouldn't abort (which it probably doesn't) so it must be true.
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[quote]Jesus Christ man, you don't get to call me out on being inhumane (which I'm not) if you don't care about traumatized -blam!- victims.[/quote] I never said I didn't care about -blam!- victims. But you clearly stated that you don't care about children who are the product of a -blam!-. [quote]Also, let me know when you find a zygote that can think. I'm fairly certain a pile of cells can't do that.[/quote] What are all humans? A pile of specific cells. I have found quite a few piles of cells able to think. [quote]But hey, your imaginary friend's big book of secrets states that you shouldn't abort (which it probably doesn't) so it must be true.[/quote] Not sure what book you are talking about (most likely the Bible), but whatever book you are referencing is completely unrelated.
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I love how you called me out on skipping bio (which I didn't) and then proceeded to state that cells can think.
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[quote]I love how you called me out on skipping bio (which I didn't) and then proceeded to state that cells can think.[/quote] I love how you don't realize that all living things are made of cells, and all living things have some form of cognitive function.
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So you can obviously point out to me the organelle that allows the cell to think, right?
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[quote]So you can obviously point out to me the organelle that allows the cell to think, right?[/quote] It really depends on the cell. Eukaryotes have strands of carbohydrates extending from their plasma membranes that allow them to 'sense' their surroundings, but they may only dictate a small part of the cells cognitive function. So basically, there may not be one specific organelle.
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I'm indifferent on this topic but I still think you are killing something by [i]denying[/i] the opportunity to live.
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By that logic every time you don't have sex you're committing murder.
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Nope. When people have sex and the baby is not yet alive, life has the opportunity to be supported. If you don't have sex there is no potential opportunity for life to be born. No mirder.
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But there is. Having sex creates the opportunity for life, therefore the opportunity to have sex creates that opportunity.
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It's not even sentient. It's not murder. It isn't alive, it is a pile of cells started due to fertilization. It's not alive, has no feelings, and doesn't care. A pile of cells isn't alive and killing it is removing a pile of cells from the body. A fetus that has the necessary parts to live? That's murder.
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The cells aren't living? They don't have unique human DNA? A single celled bacterium is alive but a fetus is not alive?
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I understand that. Like I said in my opinion I think denying potential life is still a form of murder. If you kill a source in a hive, no life will flourish. You just indirectly murdered a civilization. That's just how I look at it. You can disagree with me if you want but it won't change my perspective.
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...that makes sense.
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Don't even matter
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But that's where you're wrong. If you had put out a good, fact-based argument to prove me wrong, I would be pro-life. But it's idiots like you who believe "OMG HE MELTED CELLS WHICH MEANS MURDER" that keep me from supporting this. Cells are not alive and will not be alive until the necessary organs are produced. The only genes it has are genes for building organs. If you think that lump of cells is alive, you're a dumbass and need to retake your 7th grade biology class. On top of that, you seem to say that -blam!- victims shouldn't be able to abort their kids. They've had enough trauma. They don't have to keep the kid and can abort it or give it up to adoption. They shouldn't be forced to do anything after what happened to them. So not only are you an idiot, you're an inhumane idiot. I would recommend re-taking 6th-12th grade before engaging in any more conversations, as you're making everybody on this forum dumber by posting these things. TL/DR: Retake middle and high school then come back to me.
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Once again, I'm pretty sure basic biology says those cells are alive. So, instead you say sentient, as if we can actually measures sentience....
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But we can? Seriously. Educate yourself before you spout nonsense. A pile of cells is not "alive" in the sense that a baby is alive (it's not sentient). Saying melting those cells is murder is like saying a bouquet of flowers is a massacre.
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You don't find it odd, or at least unscientific, that your definition for human life is different than the definition for all other forms of life? How do you measure sentience? How much does a newborn have? A toddler?
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They're sentient, you f**king troglodyte. If you're this stupid, I'm not going to continue this conversation. Good day.
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Too stupid? I just don't understand how you quantify sentience? What tests do you use? You just need to gave a simple answer. Don't get infuriated you don't know the answer.