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People keep defending Year 3, it's like they don't remember Year 1. Did we have issues in Year 1? Of course we did. Major issues. Most of those issues were made much worse by TDB, and finally corrected in HoW. When we say Year 1 was the best, I don't think we are saying Vanilla. You have to take the entire year, Vanilla, TDB, and HoW. Almost every issue people have with Year 1 does not apply to HoW. HoW is, and probably always will be the high water mark for Destiny. Every piece of equipment we had was relevant. Every raid was relevant (for a total of two, the same number of relevant raids we have now, except one of them was fantastic, and one was ok. Instead of one being complete trash, and one being pretty good like we have now. Also, I don't raid anymore, so take it with a grain of salt.) Content was a bit light, but no lighter than it is now. Sure, we can go back and do all the year 1 and 2 stuff now, but why? We won't get anything for it, it's irrelevant. HoW, everything was relevant. They took Elemental Primaries away after Year 1. They were my main reason for raiding. Year 2 raid had horrible weapons, complete junk to replace the amazing primaries we got from the raids in year 1. Any reason to raid was removed when Elemental Primaries were removed. Max light can be reached very easily without ever doing a raid. Far better weapons can be found at the Cryptarch than what can drop in the raid. Consider this paragraph a TLDR: I understand that people will disagree with my post, that's fine. All I have to say about that is that Destiny is at it's lowest player base ever. Obviously, Bungie is doing something wrong. We can talk about what that is, or we can put our heads in the sand and pretend that this is the best time Destiny has ever had. I suggest we talk about why the player base is leaving so quickly. Year 1>Year 3>Year 2, and it's because everything was relevant.
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  • In y1 i ve got my best weapons in raids and the reforge was amazing. In Y2/ Y3 i ve got my best primary in pvp (cryptic dragon with the same perks of hung jury) my best special in pvp and my best heavy in a quest... Raids are useless, all pve is useless

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  • Are you putting Crota on a higher tier than KF or WotM?

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  • "lowest player base now" is because Rise of Iron was fairly small (even though the playground is huge) and with not much really new. Archon forge sucks compared to the variety of the runes. Nostalgia quests, like let's get the Gjallahorn, but make it much less than awesome, and oh, let's grab again that first shitty rifle, and make it still shitty. And let's us grind for Thorn, but much less than in year 1, and it's now a fairly trash weapon. Not all is bad. The raid is cool... but there's very little to do comparatively. So, yeah, the player base is small. Add to that the fact that the crucible is very laggy, and that the meta rules. Everyone's waiting for destiny 2....

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  • I think at the time the y1 raids could be played simultaneously with Poe for same level rewards

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  • HoW was horrible. PoE sucks. Only thing that was better in Y1 was crucible and exotic weapons. But whiny little shits that play ToO and can't accept that there are better players than them on this planet ruined both.

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  • One major problem with destiny in general is it's way too easy to hit Max light. HoW was the easiest by far as it was possible to do in a day.

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  • [quote]One major problem with destiny in general is it's way too easy to hit Max light. HoW was the easiest by far as it was possible to do in a day.[/quote] I agree. A complete Virgin newbie can hit 400 way too easily and way to quick. Have witnessed this. The raids used to be way more rewarding/relevant. Now you can max light running only strikes etc.

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  • I mean I understand not everyone can get a raid team together etc but just feels like there isn't any grind to it like there used to be

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  • That's not actually a problem for a lot of people. I have 3 400 characters, and I'm still having a great time. I had a greater time with HoW and 3 34 characters (until they announced that they were taking my Vision of Confluence away. I stopped playing for a while after that).

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  • You will find that if you compare your play time to mine then you will probably see why I find it a problem and I have a decent roll on pretty much all the weapons I could want

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  • Destiny year 1 was the best pvp hands down, u ain't year 1 day at all

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  • I agree with most of your points - but would add that a large part of the reason that the playerbase is so low now is that player fatigue has set in - Destiny is no longer a new and shiny toy, other games are constantly coming out and pulling players away for various reason. In fact, if you'd swapped year 3 and year 1 around, I think the playerbase would still be about as low as it is now.

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  • Well said!

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  • Everything was relevant? More like raid gear and endgame gear and some other legendaries. Now every single legendary you earn can be infused minus year 1.

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  • Etheric light made all legendary gear relevant. What are you talking about?

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  • Whoops, hold on, having a brain fart. I can't remember if you weren't able to upgrade some legendary armor or not.

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  • As far as I remember, everything could be upgraded via etheric light to max levels. That's why everyone got super pissed when it was all being dropped for TTK.

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  • Was I able to ascend my vanilla secret handshake? No.

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  • YES, if you had an Etheric Light to apply to it. ALL Y1 gear was ascendable to max light which was 365 then (was converted down to 170 for TTK new system)

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  • k sorry, forgot

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  • You are dumb as hell. Secret handshake was from the dark below and [u]all[/u] legendaries were ascendable

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  • CORRECT

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  • Your dumb as -blam!- you Dick, secret handshake was year 1 lol

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  • Year 1 isn't vanilla. Vanilla was until the dark below. You would know this if you played the game then

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  • Edited by GrayWulf25: 1/14/2017 5:03:55 PM
    No, he is correct that Y1 Secret Handshake was ascendable to Max Light in House of Wolves (365) via Etheric Light which allowed ALL Y1 weapons or Armour to hit the max 365 Maybe you think he is talking about NOW, but if you read the actual thread he is talking about THEN

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