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I never understand why people say this. Year 1 had sooooo many problems.
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  • It was more enjoyable back then

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  • yes it was. some believe the simple cosmetic and UI changes have made the current game better but thats not what we play this game for.

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  • The game is in a much better place now than it was back then. You may have enjoyed it more, but that does not mean it was better.

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  • this happens with every single game. the "last one" was so much better. but they continue to play and buy the next installment. its the cry baby syndrome. they are never happy.

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  • Exactly. “Nostalgia is denial. Denial of the painful present. The name for this denial is Golden Age thinking - the erroneous notion that a different time period is better than the one ones living in - its a flaw in the romantic imagination of those people who find it difficult to cope with the present.” ― Midnight in Paris

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  • Like what. Don't say shit like that unless u got something to go with it

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  • Did you buy that account? Because if you were here in year 1 then I would not need to list them for you.

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  • except for the fact that i called you out on your claim to issues soooo yes u do.. and no

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  • Yeah, a nobody like you "calling me out" does nothing to inspire me. Try harder maybe?

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  • try harder maybe...... you see whats interesting about the keyboard warriors of the world is they just think they are allowed to go online and make a post like... well you did ^^^^ there.. without showing a shred of evidence to prove a point. because in fact you dont know your own point. you dont know what the issue were.. if you did you wouldn't scowl at the opportunity to prove you know something because you were there and damn it you are going to make it known... but not u...

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  • ok, so are you saying Y1 was better? it helps ALOT if you EXPERIENCED it all (Y1, Y2, Y3), and as someone else who HAS, let me tell you that OBJECTIVELY speaking, Y3 is better than previous years. Y1 had the worst PVP metas: you HAD to use specific guns, or you would lose to those specific guns a majority of the time. mythoclast, suros regime, TLW/thorn.... those guns literally RULED their respective meta eras. now? you can compete with whatever weapon using pretty much whatever you want. Y1 had 2 raids and PoE. and one of those raids is the infamous Crota's End. Y3 has 2 raids as well, both of which are very good raids, as well as PoE 2.0! Y1 had a very limited progression path, that sure, did evetually open up a little bit. but Y3 has a MUCH wider progression path! plus so much more! BUT like he said, it was a "you had to be there" sort of thing, and try as one might, they'd fail to properly convey the folley of the nostalgic and baseless claims of "Y1 is better".

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  • [quote]ok, so are you saying Y1 was better? it helps ALOT if you EXPERIENCED it all (Y1, Y2, Y3), and as someone else who HAS, let me tell you that OBJECTIVELY speaking, Y3 is better than previous years. Y1 had the worst PVP metas: you HAD to use specific guns, or you would lose to those specific guns a majority of the time. mythoclast, suros regime, TLW/thorn.... those guns literally RULED their respective meta eras. now? you can compete with whatever weapon using pretty much whatever you want. Y1 had 2 raids and PoE. and one of those raids is the infamous Crota's End. Y3 has 2 raids as well, both of which are very good raids, as well as PoE 2.0! Y1 had a very limited progression path, that sure, did evetually open up a little bit. but Y3 has a MUCH wider progression path! plus so much more! BUT like he said, it was a "you had to be there" sort of thing, and try as one might, they'd fail to properly convey the folley of the nostalgic and baseless claims of "Y1 is better".[/quote] well speaking a an alpha player let me respond to your claim... --->Y1 had the worst PVP metas. Although thorn was a pain in the ass. you absolute did not need to use the meta to win and think about that your saying " you HAD to use specific guns" BS, you still do that now... its called the [i]META[/i] for a reason. y3 is the matador and long bow, eyasluna, uni remote , jug titan, hunter shade stepping....bla bla bla. same shit different patch. --->Raids raids are raid y1 vog was better for one reason ONLY... loot wasnt casual. raid loot qwas earned and it wasent goiven so liberaly. you had toplay more than 3 runs for a complete sey and it Actually F--ing meant something to have max light raid gear.. Y2, Y3 did a great job adding UI and mech additional to the raid but then F--ed all up by giving gear away so easily. i mean i was max light on dark below on week 2... week 2 $40 for less that 60 hours of content... ttk was also great one of my faves but again.... 3oC ruined exotics and the challenge mode made it even easier for max light. --->Y1 had a very limited progression path no kidding.. thats was the major change in the game that broke the value in the game. loot and path to max light made getting max light mean nothing. imagine if you played a game where ur character had all these powers and they are taken away at the start and u have to struggle to win them back.. and when u do ur a bad ass.. take the same game and now u get to play all the same challenges with all the powers.. wow how trilling. the struggle to raid below light level made raiding fun. getting the same 400 light drops again after week 2 was disappointing. then to add to it all they decided to allow other paths for max light gear.. OK...ok i get it you dont like raiding but love pvp.. mmm ok so you make trials and offer max gear from the flawless box and then when thats to BS they offer it for seven wins.. IB is great but then that open season on end game status.. point is a brand new player can start today and be at max light within a few days and have most of the unique items. Y1 players should remember most that the game was founded on offering unique gear and builds that a player could set apart from friends as an end game perspective. yeah in the end we all get the same gear but the grind to get there was what was removed.

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  • you shouldnt cherry-pick quotes, because it wasnt "you HAD to use specific guns", it was "you HAD to use specific guns, or you would lose to those specific guns a majority of the time." going against a juggernaut matador is zilch when compared to going against a pre-nerfed mythoclast! TLW was BROKEN! not crybaby nerf it because its just on top OP, but actually BROKEN OVERPOWERED. outside of challenge mode raid gear still isnt as whore-ish as you make it out to be: it still takes some runs to get a complete set of gear (even just armor). yes, challenge mode makes, and now cache chests, makes things easier, but you still need to complete the event in the first place in order to get a shot at those, and sometimes that still isnt enough. now as to the whole "the struggle to raid below light level made raiding fun." bit, thats a mind-set held by few: something isnt a fun challenge because you have a penalty and they have an advantage (in this case, a damage penalty/bonus). in fact, many considered that a cheap challenge (myself included). just making every enemy a yellow-bar taken captain isnt fun. dealing less damage just because isnt fun. having to juggle ad waves, boss aggro, and VIP targets is a fun challenge. being under-leveled just because isnt a fun challenge. and if thats the case then why not just go into WotM with vendor only gear? you have the opportunity to emulate those "fun challenges" you love so much, so just do it! "Y1 players should remember most that the game was founded on offering unique gear and builds that a player could set apart from friends as an end game perspective." what? were you REALLY there in Y1? vanilla end-game was VoG gear and an exotic ONLY! TDB was CE gear, an exotic, and maybe some IB gear ONLY! HoW opened things up, sure, but then again weapons were FB, BH, n g-thong, so.... "3oC ruined exotics" meh, i mean, i get why some people dont like them, i really do understand. but the fun of seing that golden glowing engram! whoo is it a joy! for that reason alone, i can never condemn 3oCs. overall though, your just overflowing with "destiny Elitism". like, c'mon man, theres still plenty of ways to distinguish yourself as an elite if you know what to look for. tier 12 gear (or whatever), specific shaders, ships, and emblems (Laurea prime > any ToO flawless emblem), surprisingly the quest based exotics (you'd think that EVERYBODY has 'em but nah, not as common as you think!), etc. dont be so high and mighty anyways, casuals are what keeps games alive.

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  • Cherry picking or not it's the same thing. The meta is the meta back then or as it is now. Same shit. I don't care about specific weapons being this or that. A games [i]better [/i] weapons will always be picked or as u suggested be used as opposed to loosing against them. That also a frame of mind. Yet soooo many players go to the meta because that's how U win. I'm not suggesting I'm an elitist player because I don't care about having something over others. I don't even play trials because of that reason. Raids take waaaaay less completions than vog days did for full sets. For ce I had full armor on week 3. 3 whole runs to have a full set.... You can't deny that loot is way to casual as the game stands now. My elitism may be coming off as such but in fact it's more that I want to enjoy playing the game again. I see no point to a next dlc when the enjoyment that is getting new fun loot is so damn easy. There is no work needed. A few raid runs and IB and ur all done.. The game has no real end game. Nothing as it stand now can I consider as endgame

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  • no. meta's usually are a select few standing above the rest, but in a healthy meta then its by a peg or two that the top tier stuff stand above. Y1's meta was an unhealthy one, where the top tier stood alone and FAAAAR above! Mythoclast was a 20, the next best was a 9. suros regime was a 14, the next best was a 10. TLW was a 14, thorn was a 13, the next best was a 9. right now, stuff like grasp, clever dragon, or whatever else is "meta" is ONLY a 10 (and thats just specific ideal roles too, NOT just the plain old gun!), and the next best are 9.5s. Y1 meta was unhealthy, hence why they're gone. current meta is MUCH healthier, which wasnt a sudden thing either, it was a long trend thats still ongoing. yes, meta does always designate some specific stuff as "the best", but its the margin that makes the difference. Mythoclast or TLW (broken version) were too powerful! current meta: is only dominate because something has to occupy that definition, but NOTHING like what the previously mentioned was. now as for raid completions and what-not, well, you DO realize that its RNG, so your personal experiences mean little to nothing on weither it was too easy or perfectly hard to get loot. for instance: it took me only 4 HM atheon kills to get mythoclast, meanwhile others have completed hundred of HM atheon kills with no such luck. hell, i can confidently say that theres someone out there who can say that they got a full set of VoG armor on their first clear! then there are those who have never even gotten a FB! so finally, as for your enjoyment factor.... well, that is COMPLETELY subjective, so the only thing i can say about that is that at the end of the day, thats on you, and up to you. I keep things fun and enjoyable by not getting caught up in pointless milestones like max light. i could have EASILY been max light months ago, but i didnt fret, i took my time, i enjoyed what i did and went along at my own pace. which is slow. i have at LEAST 6 items in EVERY slot of EVERY guardian that is maintained at 390 light (currently), and i advance by infusing the lowest piece i have among the 3 guardians. like i said, its SLOW, but its how i want to do things, and is therefore fun for me. "The power is YOURS!"

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  • Lol, says things like "I called you out" and then calls me a "Keyboard warrior". Pot meet kettle...

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  • so then ur post means nothing.. blank words on a forum.. best of luck to u

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  • Edited by PapaSubpar: 1/13/2017 7:17:02 PM
    No, your post means nothing. Because you mean nothing...at least to me. Keep your luck, you need it more than me.

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