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Edited by Fear Perfection: 1/10/2017 6:24:33 AM
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Asking me for scientific evidence of a supernatural's existence? Well... law of conservation of matter. Basically. Oh, and the first law of thermodynamics. I'm down for any kind of respectful debate.
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  • Thats not evidence for a god.

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  • Then tell me how we all got here

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  • As in humans? Or life in general?

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  • Anything. How did anything get anywhere? You can use humans if you want.

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  • You're not being specific. Get anywhere? We walk. But seriously, you're not telling me what you're actually asking for. The simple answer is physics. Are there things we don't know? Sure. But a lack of answer doesn't mean god.

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  • Edited by Fear Perfection: 1/10/2017 11:51:46 AM
    No. Like how were humans created? I'm asking for an explanation as of how any kind of matter was created. A lot of people say humans came from a chemical that changed into an organism that came out of the sea or something. That would be an explanation I'm looking for. But I want to know what you think. Lol sorry for the stupid question. So... tell me... how do you think humans came to be? Or the earth?

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  • Edited by Britton: 1/10/2017 11:56:14 AM
    Humans weren't created. Nothing was created. Humans, evolved from bipedal hominids. As for how any matter came to be at all, I refer you to this video for a basic understanding. It's a simple explanation, but you can use what's said to investigate further. https://youtu.be/7KYTJ8tBoZ8 The gist answer to your question is that matter is a result of an imbalance in matter and anti matter. That matter formed stars, which turned simple atoms into more complex ones, and when these stars exploded, those enriched atoms get spewed out across space. Our solar system, and life itself, is a result of atomic fusion in stars. How did life actually begin on earth? Nobody has a definitive answer yet.

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  • Ok. This is what I mean. No matter what explanation anyone ever comes up with, you can't get something from nothing. No kind of matter comes from nowhere. Which means that humans coming from an evolution cannot be the [u]final[/u] answer. Because whatever humans come from has to also have an origin. Therefore, there's an unending amount of explanations... so you tell me humans evolved from something. Where did that something come from? Once you answer that, where did your next answer come from? Same goes for energy.

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  • Edited by Britton: 1/10/2017 12:02:56 PM
    So you wanna know what came.before the universe? There's a problem there. Time is an aspect of the universe. Before it, time doesn't even exist, so there is no before. But because there's still questions to be answered, doesn't mean it's god.

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  • Edited by Fear Perfection: 1/10/2017 12:24:11 PM
    Exactly. There is no "before". Again the law of conservation of matter says that our matter couldn't have just appeared, even if time wasn't yet to be, if that's possible. And this is my point. Nobody knows where anything comes from.

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  • All laws, including the law of conservation of matter, are for [i]after[/i] the universe began. But yes, nobody knows, including those who say it was god.

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  • Law of conservation of matter is what our known science is. Besides... what else could have even created the universe? That is assuming science is responsible for it. Our own science is telling us that it is somehow impossible.

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  • You're assuming it needs to be created. You're also assuming that the laws of this universe apply before it's existence. Science isn't responsible for anything. Science isn't a force of nature. It's the study of it, it's our effort to understand what happens. Science doesn't change what happens, it changes our understanding. Whatever happened, happened. We just haven't been able to figure it out.

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  • No, I'm not assuming that the laws apply before. And that's exactly my point. Is that whatever caused our origin is of uncommon sense and isn't bound by what we know, which sounds familiar to me. As you speculated before, that doesn't mean it [u]has[/u] to be a god, but I want you to consider the origin of the bible. It's an old book, recovered in many ancient languages including latin, the basis of many languages today. It has been translated over years. To say the same thing over the years. And now, some of the most recent prophecies of Isreal have been fulfilled, concerning it's safety. And Noah's ark has been found. Now I know, so many people say who cares, what if it's just a big ship? This speculation could be valid. However, Noah's ark was found right next to Mt. Ararat. The ark is nowhere near any source of water, either now or back then. No old documents imply any kind of nearby water. So there is no reason for a boat of its size to be there. It was also found at the bottom of a slope of the mountain. I know that isn't really evidence, it's just... sugggestive. There is 1 other topic that I don't know enough about to discuss, that is the discovery of the Ark Of The Covenant. I've heard some archeologist went in some mountain and claims to have found the Ark or something, but I haven't studied the topic enough to say anything.

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  • [quote]No, I'm not assuming that the laws apply before. And that's exactly my point. Is that whatever caused our origin is of uncommon sense and isn't bound by what we know, which sounds familiar to me[/quote] no way. You mean religion isnt based on knowledge? [quote]As you speculated before, that doesn't mean it [u]has[/u] to be a god, but I want you to consider the origin of the bible. It's an old book, recovered in many ancient languages including latin, the basis of many languages today. It has been translated over years. To say the same thing over the years.[/quote] incorrect. It hasn't said the same thing over the years as some of the languages it's been in have words that don't translate, and when they get translated anyway the meaning changes. [quote]And now, some of the most recent prophecies of Isreal have been fulfilled, concerning it's safety.[/quote] like what? [quote]And Noah's ark has been found. Now I know, so many people say who cares, what if it's just a big ship? This speculation could be valid. However, Noah's ark was found right next to Mt. Ararat. The ark is nowhere near any source of water, either now or back then. No old documents imply any kind of nearby water. So there is no reason for a boat of its size to be there. It was also found at the bottom of a slope of the mountain. I know that isn't really evidence, it's just... sugggestive.[/quote] source? [

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