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originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
12/15/2016 9:07:25 PM
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It sounds like the darkness is chaos and the light is order. Think of modern society yes people may feel shackled and restrained but without laws and rules we would have no society. If everyone did whatever they felt like without consequences and a goal of self empowerment that wouldn't go so well.
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  • Where exactly do you get that? We haven't seen the Darkness and the Traveler just floats there. Until the two things get together and fight what's the point in attributing concepts to them? I'll make up my mind when I actually know something about them that directly comes from one of them.

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  • Edited by Patriot121: 12/18/2016 6:17:25 AM
    Because the Book of Sorrow tells us exactly what they are as concepts. Each is a philosophy as well as a fundamental rule of existence. The Light champions the idea that the perfect universe lies in one of cooperation and mutual achievement. All willing races coming together in a perpetual golden age. It is the Darkness' philosophy that the perfect universe lies in cutting away all weakness until only the "final, perfect shape" remains. This final shape being the Darkness itself. The Hive, including Oryx embrace the philosophy of the Deep, what we know as the Darkness. They believe they can become the final shape, and even if they can't then they don't deserve to live anymore that the countless races they've wiped out during their universe spanning genocide. He is no savior as we see it, though he would probably view himself as one. His 'freedom' is death and nothing else though. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/207122257/0/0

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  • Again, what is the Darkness? I at least know that the Traveler exists, despite not being convinced of the thing's motives. I haven't seen the Darkness, haven't heard about it as an entity since vanilla and have to read the shoddily written Book of Sorrow to get some secondhand account by Oryx.

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  • So you don't like the presentation of the information, so we'll just pretend none exists I guess? The Darkness is a conscious entity capable of communication as well as a philosophy and a fundamental force of nature.

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  • I don't think anyone does like the presentation. We pretend it doesn't exist because there's no evidence that it does exist.

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  • You need both for balance actually. If you had total order, you'd be in North Korea. Freedom is in the first stages of chaos. Little control, with a little freedom.

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