Tbh i prefer the current shotgun meta to the sniper meta we had some months back.
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Edited by YourVillain: 12/15/2016 4:42:41 PMNope, there is one way to adjust to a sniper meta and that's use a sniper and no I brought up of to show that this "meta" is easily countered. Also, since you barely use a primary and your next used weapon is a hand cannon I understand why shotgunners are running a train on you. You NEED a sniper meta because it is clearly the only weapon you use. Me, not so much. As my stats show I use everything which is why I have no problem with this.
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I use a sniper because i find it rewarding a sniper fun, why should i, and many many other players, be punished for that? why do you have to benefit and me suffer when both of us are using the gun we find fun? They aren't really running a train on me, it's just annoying, i still have a higher kd than you so don't be so snarky
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Edited by YourVillain: 12/15/2016 5:03:04 PMAlso... the reason you should be "punished" and I "benefit" while you "suffer" is because my weapon choices aren't game breaking. I'm using primaries and you are using a secondary as a primary which is/was a problem. It's a "special" weapon for a reason. For special situations, not all situations.
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So everybody in this meta using matador should be punished too? why just snipers ? -blam!- it let's just take secondary out of the game . Idiot kid you can't make points like that only towards snipers because it applies to everyone using matador in this meta , the meta you think is fine
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When did I say matador should be punished? I actually said it's fine because it's not game breaking. I really feel like you aren't reading.
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No , you aren't reading. You said that i should be punished because i was using a special as a primary, that it should only be used in special situations. Matador is a special? used for special situations ? Then the people using matador all over the map should be punished too.
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No, I said you should be punished because snipers were nearly game breaking. Matador, not so much. The weapon can only be used in specific situation. That is in contrast to snipers that out performed every primary at just about every range with a simple scope change. People that are using a shotgun as a primary are not going to be very successful at anything longer than just outside melee range.
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That's not true actually. Snipers are effective out of shotgun range and shotguns are effective too close for snipers to be effective , unless you get a quick scope but that's just pure luck. so snipers out play clever dragon? mida? grasp? distant star? i don't think so
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[quote]so snipers out play clever dragon? mida? grasp? distant star? i don't think so [/quote] Yea, not now, thanks to flinch. Thank God. OK. Think about this. What is a snipers kill zone. What is a shotguns kill zone. Yea, I think that's a bit different
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It is how it should be, sniper has a larger area to cover because it is a long range weapon. Shotguns cover a smaller area because they are close combat weapons. I don't see where you are going with this. Are you saying that snipers and shotguns should have the same size of killzone ? that's ridiculous
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No I'm saying the sniper has the potential to cause a greater impact on the game and thus it's even more important to keep in check. As you said it has a much wider area. A shotgunner is going to do what, control a doorway. A sniper is going to control a court yard. Do you honestly think a OHK sniper, with aim assist, no sway or bullet drop off, that can function at mid to long range should ALSO have no flinch? Now answer that without saying anything about shotguns. Just think of the game in general. Is that a fair weapon type in a game where almost every other weapon requires 3-5 shots. Answer honestly and try to take your personal bias out of it.
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I do not think we should go back to the meta we had when snipers dominated, they were [i][/i]too strong. But i do think that they need a bit of a buff and a nerf. I believe that the flinch should be reduced drastically, that or take HCR off of all pulse rifles, like they did to Mida Multi-tool. The amount that your scope flinches, even with unflinching is ridiculous. And i think that even if you dont run snipers, you can attest to this. I think that the zoom nerf is perfectly fine, and i also think the quickdraw and snapshot nerf is fine, yes its a little more sluggish than back in the day but i also think thats the way it should be. However, i think the body shot damage should be reduced and the headhsot damage unnerfed. I think you should be rewarded when hitting a headshot and alsmot punished in a way for hitting a body shot. I also believe that the handling nerf should be undone. If i choose to play aggressive with a sniper then i should be rewarded, obviously ive practiced enough to be able to rely on my sniper in more than one situation. With the bodynshot damage decrease, you will be almost forced to try and hit the quick headhsot, or else with the decrease, itll give the pulse rifles and such a fair shot at killing you before you kill them. Now its a 3 shot sniper body vs a three burst pulse, id say thats pretty even. Just as a side note, by no means do i want shotguns to be nerfed, if anything they need to remove the spray from shotguns, I just want snipers to be viable as well.
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[quote]I use a sniper because i find it rewarding a sniper fun, why should i, and many many other players, be punished for that? why do you have to benefit and me suffer when both of us are using the gun we find fun? They aren't really running a train on me, it's just annoying, i still have a higher kd than you so don't be so snarky [/quote] Because the weapon was too damn strong. As I said numerous times it had NO drawbacks. How you think killing someone with one bullet with a weapon that half way aims for you is rewarding is beyond me. Your kd over the last 30 days is 1.6 and mine is 1.5 so yea, you're right but I would venture to guess its a hell of a lot lower than it used to be.
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The funny thing is that i still use a sniper, because i find fun.. is that not sinking in for you? And no my kd has actually gotten better, because i continue to work on using a sniper, lol
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[quote]The funny thing is that i still use a sniper, because i find fun.. is that not sinking in for you? And no my kd has actually gotten better, because i continue to work on using a sniper, lol[/quote] Well if that's the case problem solved because everyone is happy. That was a lot of talking for no reason it seems. I'm glad we agree 😘
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The bottom line is that Bungie even said the Matador is dominating the crucible and other guns need to be buffed to be brought in line.. idk why you're arguing that the meta is fine when even bungie has said it's broken lol
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You know why? Because I'm not that good and I have no problem with it. If you are supposedly better than me and still kicking ass I don't know what your issue is. What I'm afraid of is that they are going to do something to dick up the balance, because it does feel balanced at the moment. What I think you are missing that people will always look for that easy button and OHK weapons are what most people will inevitably gravitate to. They think shotguns are that new easy button but they are not as successful as they think. Yea, there are a lot of shotgunner but they are in no way locking up the game like snipers
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I should be punished for using something the game has given players as an advantage ? lol ok
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Nope not even close most of the time. If I get killed it's usually because they used a primary and they were good. I would also say it's a hell of a lot more risky for a person to get kills using a shot gun than a no flinch sniper.
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But how is it any different than the current shotgun meta? Like you just said, it's only fun for shotgunners. This meta makes primaries obselete too because there's no way if a jugg titan is rushin at you with a full auto matador you'll be able to kill with a primary. That's all it is now, because with matadors running around the map without ever pulling out there primaries and to be quite honest i'm sick of it, just like you were sick of the sniper meta. So why can't both be viable ? you can have your overpowered shotguns and i can have my aim assisted snipers. Isn't this a game about weapon diversity ?
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Edited by YourVillain: 12/15/2016 4:20:21 PMDude you MUST be trolling me and I'm falling for it hook line and sinker... That or your reading comprehension sucks. You keep saying "like I said" followed by something I never said. I didn't say it's only fun for shotgunners. [u] I'M NOT A SHOTGUNNER!![/u] Yet I kill them all the time. I don't get trapped by shotgunners, jug or not BECAUSE THE [b]RADAR [u]IS ALWAYS ON!![/u][/b] How do they keep sneaking up on you? When I see the radar getting red I position my self so they have to run a long straight away, (more often than not) they either die as they shoot a desperate out of range shot or they run and crouch in the corner like an abused dog till you find them and put them down. I don't care about this meta because I'm not forced to use anything. My fusion kills shotguns MOST of the time. Look at my average KD, then look at my load out, then look at my match history. I'm not making this shit up.
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You realize that on the size of the maps we have now, a titan can close gaps in the matter of seconds, before you even have time to think about what you're doing.. and have you ever had more than one person rush you at a time? by the sounds of it I don't think you have . The truth be told, if there were other viable secondaries then the competitive scene would not be dominated by shotguns, the kills in ToO would not be DOMINATED by shotguns, sorry but the stats don't lie . I'm so sorry that you don't like snipers but i think it's time to make more than one special type viable for competitive and social play.
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Edited by YourVillain: 12/15/2016 4:34:48 PMI shoulda just checked earlier... You have more sniper kills than ANY primary by a large margin. I'm talking to a true believer. This is a religion to you. No wonder you think snipers can do no wrong. I doubt we will get anywhere with this...
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Edited by YourVillain: 12/15/2016 4:32:21 PMIf you are so concerned about viability and diversity why don't I see you arguing for a fusion or sidearm buff. Can you honestly argue that sniper should return as they were and THAT wont just become the new meta? Do you really think that weapon is balanced with ALL of the points I made about snipers having NO drawbacks. Also, no I don't usually have a bunch of people rushing me because when I see im outnumbered and I have no plan...I bug out and get them later. Unlike snipers you can easily run and get out of the range of a shotgun
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the way YOU think snipers should be is not realistic for the size of the maps we have and the speed of the players we have . Yeah making snipers hard in something like battlefield is a little difffernt because the maps are so huge and bullet drop off won't get you killed because you're in too close of proximity to other players.