TLDR: Curious guardians really like the Thorn, use the Thorn, share more Thorns with friends, take up the title of Dredgen. -- Did anyone else know that, basically, Dredgen Yor has his own sort of cult following? Not that he wanted it. But apparently two guardians, Orsa Zyre and Teben Grey, took Thorn and Dredgen a bit too curiously. Even donning themselves titles of Dredgen. And some other friends who aren't cool enough to be a Dredgen, I guess. In fact, as their names became more known, and their Thorns more felt, guardians that used Thorn were actively monitored. The aforementioned guardians were most closely followed ones, and the most famous for the trend. Not that any of this is hard to figure out. But it's just cool to see. And if someone sees it otherwise or has another opinion I would be happy to hear it. -- Ghost Fragment: The Cauldron TYPE: POST-MATCH REPORT PARTIES: One [1]. One [1] Guardian-type, Class Warlock [u.1] ASSOCIATIONS: Cauldron, The; Crucible; Grey, Teben [AKA Bane, Dredgen]; Hive; Lord Shaxx; Moon [Earth]; Orsa, Zyre [AKA Vale, Dredgen]; Thorn; Yor, Shadows of //AUDIO UNAVAILABLE// //TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS.../ [u.1:01] We were facing a full squad. I recognized a couple of them—Orsa, Teben—but they were different. Decked out in dark gear and set to intimidate. I took it as an attempt at psychological warfare— up the creep factor in a creepy place. But it was more than that. They had changed. -- This card shows who Dredgen Vale and Dredgen Bane are. Both from record and indirectly from word of mouth. It doesn't say specifically they used the Thorn but it does show that they stood out from the others by looking surprisingly menacing. But it felt like more than looks. As if they weren't completely normal in the head either. It is also put under the 'Thorn' attachment, or association, with Thorn. -- Ghost Fragment: Blind Watch SUBJECT: THREAT ASSESSMENT PARTIES: Two [2]. One [1] Guardian-type, Class Warlock, Vanguard Designate [u.1]; One [1] Guardian-type, Class Titan [u.2] ASSOCIATIONS: Blind Watch; Buried City; Cabal; Clovis Bray; Crucible; Exclusion Zone; Lord Shaxx; Mars; Meridian Bay [Mars]; Orsa, Zyre; Vanguard; Rey, Ikora; Thorn; Yor, Dredgen //AUDIO UNAVAILABLE// //TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS.../ [u.1:01] I’m assuming you’re aware of the events on Mars. [u.2:01] The results from Blind Watch? [u.1:02] Yes. It may be starting again. Not saying it is, but we need to keep an eye on any who would seek to retrace Yor’s path. [u.2:02] Agreed. But Orsa and his friends seem to have contained what Yor could not. [u.1:03] A dangerous assumption. The Thorn’s pestilence is becoming commonplace. -- This flat out says that Orsa and his friends are using forged Thorns; they must be forged if they have multiples. Notice, also, that Orsa is either not known or not mentioned to have changed his name. So this could be when they first get up to speed and embracing their new weapon. -- Ghost Fragment: Timekeeper TYPE: POST-MATCH REPORT PARTIES: Two [2]. One [1] Guardian-type, Class Hunter [u.1]; One [1] Guardian-type, Class Titan [u.2] ASSOCIATIONS: Crest; Crucible; Lord Shaxx; Orsa, Zyre [AKA Vale, Dredgen]; Supremacy; Timekeeper; Vale, Dredgen [AKA Orsa, Zyre]; Vex //AUDIO UNAVAILABLE// //TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS.../ [u.1:01] Never seen anything like it. Orsa... or Vale. Whatever he calls himself. Coming out on top wasn’t even in his plans. He’d just drop us then leave our Crests scattered around the combat zone. I don’t think he collected one. Others didn’t care. Figured it gave them a chance to pull the win. But I cared. Win or not, that kinda cocky ain’t healthy. [u.2:01] I don’t think “cocky” is the right word. -- This one shows more of a personality view of Orsa, who again, is now known to be going by either Vale or Dredgen Vale; most likely the latter. This helps the first card I put up, showing how their use of Thorn may not be as safe as it seems. While they are not insane, yet, they are certainly not doing what normal guardians do either. Now they're ignoring objectives and going for a long match since they aren't getting points, I suppose, in order to get as many kills with Thorn as possible. They're also dressing menacingly, in the other card, and seeming a little disturbed. -- Ghost Fragment: Widow's Court TYPE: POST-MATCH REPORT PARTIES: Two [2]. One [1] Guardian-type, Class Hunter [u.1]; One [1] Guardian-type, Class Warlock, Vanguard Designate [u.2] ASSOCIATIONS: Crucible; European Dead Zone; Fallen; Lord Shaxx; Malphur, Shin; Rey, Ikora; Thorn; Widow’s Court //AUDIO UNAVAILABLE// //TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS.../ [u.1:01] I’m telling you this now, because you don’t seem to be taking it seriously. [u.2:01] We are aware of—and share—your concerns and are monitoring. It could be you’re too close to the situation to get a clear, full view. [u.1:02] Too close? I’ve seen the vids from Widow’s Court. They’re playing with death. -- No direct link to Thorn other than the attachment in the file. But this reinforces the monitoring of Thorn users, like I said earlier. Obviously the two onlookers are not pleased by this trend. I want to say that one of the speakers, the second one, in this card is Ikora Rey as she would match a Warlock that is a Vanguard Designate. I'm not sure who the first one would be though. Either a crucible player who fought a Dredgen title or someone higher up like a crucible handler, or a seasoned guardian. A Hunter of some sorts, at the very least, is all I can tell for now. -- Ghost Fragment: Cathedral of Dusk TYPE: POST-MATCH REPORT PARTIES: Two [2], One [1] Guardian-type, Class Titan [u.1]; One [1] Guardian-type, Class Hunter [u.2] ASSOCIATIONS: Cathedral of Dusk; Crucible; Dreadnaught [Saturn]; Hive; Lord Shaxx; Oryx; Rings of Saturn; Saturn; Taken; Thorn, Vale, Dredgen [AKA Orsa, Zyre]; Yor, Dredgen //AUDIO UNAVAILABLE// //TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS.../ [u.1:01] Thorn, huh? [u.2:01] Freshly-crafted. You like? [u.1:02] A little risky playing with something that’s been known to kill Guardians, isn’t it? [u.2:02] Look where we are. Everything in the system’s been known to kill Guardians. [u.1:03] Sure. But there’s facing trouble and there’s asking for it. [u.2:03] This isn’t like the stories we’ve heard about Yor. Vale figured this out. Tamed it. [u.1:04] Can you tame a sickness? [u.2:04] Good question. Let’s go pick a fight and find out. -- This card is of lesser importance. But it shows how Thorn was beginning to 'trend' in the Crucible. We don't know who is talking but we do know one of them has heard of Vale. Either the guardian knows Vale or has talked to Vale or simply knows that Vale has 'tamed' the Thorn. So he's trying it out and showing his friend in the process. As more people got whiff of 'safe' Thorns being created I'm guessing the trend got pretty far in the crucible arena. And the nature of some guardians changed as time went on too. Subtle changes, but noticeably creepy and suspect. -- Well, this is all just for fun. And I was bored and I thought I would put it up there for people to view at their leisure.