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Edited by TeddyBundy: 11/14/2016 12:47:59 PM
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Should SBMM be removed?

SBMM should be removed

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SBMM should stay

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So, I want to start a real poll about the topic. Is SBMM good for the game or not? Personally I say that it doesn't help the game at all. Why? - Bad people stay bad. They can enjoy the game more, yes. But the'ye not forced to get any better if all they´ll get are better opponents and a worse gaming experience. They can use whatever loadout they want, they don't have to sweat all the time, etc. Even if you're bad, a bad opponent won't make your game hard at all. You won't get better by playing bad players only. The mix is what makes you better. - It only caters to the bad players that don't even try to get better and most of the time don't even play PvP at all. - You cannot enjoy crucible with your friends. When I join buddies, I pubstomp most of the enemies with ease. That's NOT fun at all. My buddies will have a bad time because the enemies we're matched against are getting better than themselves. That's also NOT fun for them. It's not fun for anyone playing together most of the time. - The Win/Lose Ratio Preservation needs to go. It´s just unfair. If you perform good and your team is winning one match, in the next match the game puts you in a severe disadvantage and you WILL lose and getting destroyed, no matter what you´re doing. You can even tell which game it is because you cannot get kills that easily i.e. - No Dedicated Servers. We have no DS like any other ranked or in general decent PvP game has. SBMM only causes extreme lag because we're matched with players from the other side of the planet, their crap connections and the broken Netcode. 500-1000+ pings aren't that uncommon. That shouldn´t be possible in general. - It's a pain for anyone that actually tried and managed to be good in this game. I once was a thumbless noob. It was my first PvP console game ever and I struggled hard. Sometimes I managed to be above 1.0, but most of the time I was getting pubstomped. Then I actually tried to get better...and I did. I've earned my 100 Rumble wins without any help. I've earned my stats without SBMM padding my back. I´ve never asked for any form of security because I knew how PvP games work. CS, BF, CoD, UT...all of them don´t give Newbies any form of protection, that´s just how those games work. If i can do it, why can't you? And when you can't...why should you be the only group of players that have fun in a mode that isn't made for you at all? Is that really fair? I think normal Crucible should be 100% CBMM only. Sometimes you'll get good players on your team, sometimes against you. Sometimes you'll pubstomp the others, sometimes you'll get pubstomped. Fair and even ground for everyone and no one has to struggle just because he want's to play with his friends. Here´s an awesome video about this topic that perfectly describes my point of view (Credits to Youtube User "Story Machine" and user "shaney_m" for this): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aMk5fpsYms&app=desktop What's your opinion? Please, try to stay clean and make legit agruments for or against it.

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  • Forever carrying the team... can't just play relaxed and chill. Always super sweaty. I have trials for that. Tired of having teams that all go negative and can't hold map control. It's literally like 80% of the time I have to try my ass off for the win. I come out with some mad score like 25 kills 5 deaths and the rest of my team will be nagtive like 0.12 and we lose... how is this fair? My win/ loss is broken. If I want to play chill I have to get a full team together. Can't I just get on and play some chill destiny, try for a sick clip or two -.-

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    • Agreed. Bump.

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    • I avoid PVP like the plaque because I'm absolute crap at it (which is hilarious because I got really good at PvP in dark souls so take my opinion with a massive grain of salt). But sometimes it seems like I'm matched with people who are better than me while pairing me with people who suck even harder than I do (which is a terrifying prospect). So I guess im on the fence. I lean towards replacing SBMM with CBMM because I would rather be faced and paired with other good connections regardless of skills.

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      • Bump

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      • SBMM is AIDS

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      • seemed like a structured argument to me, where's deej's sticker of approval?

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        • There is a reason why Bungie put effort to implement SBMM. Its because PvP player pool is decreasing. If you are a good player in your area..you will like to play PvP because its fun for you. If you are average players..you will hate PvP. In real life...average is majority. Those above average are minority but since they have fun to play PvP...they will play PvP alot more than average skilled player. They destroying those average players. Since this is a game..just for fun..if it not fun for players ...why play? Bungie is trying many ways to keep those majority Destiny players to play PvP. They make more maps...more generous rewards..forcing them to play PvP by putting PvP in Quest Line. All those effort does not work very well. During the CBMM periods Bungie relied on fresh new player...but since this game is already mature...not many fresh player. They have to bring the current players to play PVP. Thats why SBMM exist. SBMM causing those above average players having hard time to find lobby. They usually like to play and play often..now they can't have that "fun" game anymore. They just screaming here. The only solution is HANDICAP system. If the high skilled want to play in average players pool...they have to use HANDICAP to balance the skill.

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          • When people argue to keep SBMM, "but without SBMM, I'll get flogged and die all the time!" Okay so we should just cater to the lowest common denominator for everything then! There is a solution to this, scrubs can practice in private matches against other scrubs until they are good enough to take the training wheels off.

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          • I think got should get fixed not removed, people who main snipers fight snipers shotguns with shotguns and so on, classes wouldn't matter. Also since nobody apperently can kill good people I guess I'll say same kd fights same kd to make you all happy.

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          • I really wish we could get back to how sniping was before the nerf and all the extra flinch was added. With SBMM I can't muck around and try different snipers, I feel like I have to use a shotgun or sidearm all of the time now! I still enjoy the game but sniping was heaps of fun. I also used to love throwing knifes and the sticky tripmine, why they nerfed those is beyond me. Every subclass should have a sticky grenade, stickies are fun. Bungie are FUN POLICE they kill the fun!

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            • YES take it off !!!!!

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            • I'd don't even care about playing other kids around my skill its the bas connection that I hate. SBMM and peer to peer doesn't work

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            • Edited by IIIIIIIIIIIIIII-: 11/15/2016 9:59:52 PM
              I wish there would be a dropdown in Settings menu: 1. "You want to play matches without much lag and with players of any skill. This will help you learn new ways to play the game while having smooth and enjoyable gameplay" (CBMM) 2. "You want to play matches with players of uncertain skill and location. Artificially created skill bracket will make you feel safe. Fast internet is not required, wireless with unstable latency and unpredictable packet loss is all you need" (SBMM) That would satisfy everybody, correct?

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              • Bad players can't get any better by playing with bad players, so SBMM gives them chance to improve their skills, so why not?

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                • I'm not sure on this guys... does the SBMM system use your Gamer profile in destiny as a whole across the 3 characters and average it out for SB or does it work per character because I know everyone has there preferred character and I think it should slightly alter with trials of osiris by this I mean if you have been light house and how many times and SBMM that way and then you would be less likely to get bad players such as myself lol and if you haven't then SBMM via the scorecard ie 1-9 and average of that. I will say around 90% i get matched with in trials have light house emblems and I'm shit at trials and have never been close to getting to light house so that's my opinion and reason to not remove SBMM but adjust it not all of us are good in pvp but no hate to the better pvp'ers ✋

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                  • I understand why u say this and it proves a point i saw in another post of actually mixing CBMM and SBMM together which would make it alot easier on both the people better at crucible and the people whom arent that great in crucible

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                  • Just make a ranked playlist for sweats? Which can base you of skill? Could be a new tier of competitiveness? Beat the teams at your level and move onto the next team? ;)

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                  • SBMM without dedicated servers and half decent net code is just ludicrous. I don't know how Bungie thought this was a good idea but they are clearly a bunch of delusional idiots.

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                  • SBMM is CANCER

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                    • Bump

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                    • I am not the greatest crucible player but I know that it is true if you are not challenged you will never learn and never get better, but at the same time there are pro level players that never get to just enjoy the game because every match is pro vs pro and things get sweaty 98% of the time, I say the connection based match making should be more important but if there was a toggle to select CBMM or SBMM this good help everyone.

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                    • shoot me at will, but what is sbmm

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                      • But what is your sulution to help the low tier people get better at crucible when they will face better people I hate it too but if the community wants it to be removed there needs something to be in it's place

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                        • Keep SBMM, i dont want to face bad players when im playing 3 v 3 gamemodes like skirmish. 6 v 6 gamemodes i couldnt care less as long as im not facing a stacked 6 man team as a solo que.

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                          • - Bad players CAN get better by playing bad players . It's get depends on the mind serif the bad player, if he's determined he can improve with the top teir if he's not then he can not improve against top tier players. So SBMM should stay so that both players can improve and rehabs fun. Also if the determined player wants a challenge he could go in to trials that's the best practice IMO -Keeping it short, As a member of the "1%" (in-game) SBMM should stay most connections can handle Games like destiny but a laptop and a phone connected at the same time causes noticeable drop in connection quality. I personally never come in to contact with a "red bar warrior" and match quality is usually amazing ( XB1 East Coast) -Sad Doctor

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