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It's easier to take up a moral position about this kind of thing. "Human rights," like the human right to a home, or healthcare, or education, are just empty promises from the state. The simple fact is that these things need to be provided by other people. If the state promises you a right to a home, then it then has to violate somebody else's property rights by coercing them into building/funding that home. Human rights are a contradiction. Natural rights are your only rights. Marxism has poisoned the ideological well, in a way. There's this prevailing idea that we somehow live in post-scarcity world, and that we can employ force to shift resources around and end social ills. That isn't the case. Not only does it fail spectacularly, but it's immoral in the first place. Everything in this world must be worked for. That is a fundamental truth. You don't necessarily have to work to get it (charity can morally exist, and it isn't worked for), but resources come from somewhere. If a man is starving, we can very well employ force to secure some bread from someone else. However, let's remove everybody else from society. Nobody else is around to produce bread. We can no longer use force to secure an outcome. In order to survive, that man would have to work. The sooner we realize that it's immoral to initiate force against other people and their property, the sooner we can start alleviating these social ills legitimately.
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  • Edited by SwiftBMF: 11/8/2016 5:16:43 AM
    Yep and when 68 of tge richest people have more wealth than the 50% of the world combined thet just worked harder than everybofy else. This world has enough to provide a good life for everybody but a few people at the top decided that theur own wealth was more important.

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  • [quote]Yep and when 68 of tge richest people have more wealth than the 50% of the world combined thet just worked harder than everybofy else.[/quote] It isn't necessarily hard work that accumulates wealth. It's valuable work or valuable knowledge. [quote]This world has enough to provide a good life for everybody but a few people at the top decided that theur own wealth was more important.[/quote] This "post-scarcity" idea is a dangerous one. Are you willing to inflict violence upon those with wealth in order to give it to those without? Also keep in mind that by subsidizing a baseline of a lifestyle you remove any incentive to reach that baseline by yourself, or even to advance beyond it.

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  • Yeah because those with all that wealth have it through great minds or tallents dont they. Truth is most of it was made from brubes & screwing iver people by lobbying politicians to make laws favouring & by not paying their fair share of taxes but still like to remind the little guy that he has to pay his. Just stop it mate theres no reason for anybody in this world to have a more than an 8 figure bank accouny when over 50% of the globe live on less that $1 a day. Dont you dare try & tell me that people like the koch brothers deserve that bank balence more than people deserve clean water & to not have oil companys filling the ground water with poison because the fines are cheaper than proper disposal. Yeah they worked harder to twist the laws to favour them.

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  • [quote]Yeah because those with all that wealth have it through great minds or tallents dont they.[/quote] Most do, although some are wealthy because they manipulated the power of the state in their favor. The moral of that story isn't that economic freedom is bad. The moral is that wielding the state against others is bad. [quote]Truth is most of it was made from brubes & screwing iver people by lobbying politicians to make laws favouring & by not paying their fair share of taxes but still like to remind the little guy that he has to pay his.[/quote] Are we forgetting that the top 5% of earners pay about 60% of all taxes in the U.S., and most of that put onto the top 1%? The bottom 80% of taxpayers shoulder only about 15% of the tax burden. (http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/13/top-1-pay-nearly-half-of-federal-income-taxes.html) [quote]Just stop it mate theres no reason for anybody in this world to have a more than an 8 figure bank accouny when over 50% of the globe live on less that $1 a day.[/quote] Easy there, Marx. Refer back to my previous point about subsidizing a baseline of living. We don't live in a post-scarcity age. [quote]Dont you dare try & tell me that people like the koch brothers deserve that bank balence more than people deserve clean water & to not have oil companys filling the ground water with poison because the fines are cheaper than proper disposal.[/quote] Your emotional manipulation here fails to make a legitimate point. [quote]Yeah they worked harder to twist the laws to favour them.[/quote] The moral of the story is that the state is a weapon that we shouldn't turn on one another. Economic freedom is the greatest engine for prosperity.

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