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Edited by Astral Centipede: 10/24/2016 6:34:10 PM
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Voidwalker Axion Bolt + Embrace The Void = Bugged (with evidence)

For those unfamiliar with the arcane powers of the Voidwalker, Embrace The Void is a Voidwalker subclass node that makes grenade and super kills trigger Energy Drain. Energy Drain is an effect that normally triggers on Voidwalker charged melee hits that reduce cooldown of grenades. Essentially, Embrace The Void makes grenade kills regenerate grenade energy. For the most part, it works, but not for in mid-air Axion Bolt. Mid-air Axion Bolt kills with Embrace The Void do NOT trigger the Energy Drain effect as intended. Embrace The Void works perfectly fine when the grenade is thrown while grounded, but when I jump in the air to throw the grenade, the kill does not trigger Energy Drain. I have posted video evidence of this. EDIT: [b]You have to be in the air while the bolts hit their target to reproduce the issue.[/b] I've had issues with Embrace The Void not working seemingly-randomly for quite some time now, but just today I realized what makes the difference is being mid-air. I am on PS4. I've tested this numerous times since figuring it out, and the issue is reproduced consistently. EDIT: Tried it with both Monentum Transfer and Energy Projection on Ophidian Aspect, and the result is the same. Tried without Ophidian Aspect (and replaced it's Energy Drain bonus with The Hunger), and I used the lengendary Spektar gloves, and the results are the same. This is not a problem of the Ophidian Aspect, but of the Voidwalker subclass.
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  • Proof of Bungie's quality control: 2017 and the issue persists.

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  • I thought maybe it was from getting void double kills and having the boots on that gives you agility upon void dub kill..somehow interfering with energy drain. Cause it seemed to not do it whenever I had agility pop up at the same time

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  • Ah so that is what causes it. I noticed the Axion didn't always proc Energy Drain upon a kill. Didn't know it was due to being airborne upon a kill. Seems correct though after 15 mins testing today.

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  • Hello, Thank you for this report and video. I will escalate this to the appropriate parties for investigation. A few follow up questions: 1. Can you tell if this is impacting other Void Grenade Types? 2. Is this happening consistently between PvE and PvP Gametypes?

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    • Thank god I wasnt the only one, this cost me a life in a pvp match once because it didnt trigger energy drain -.-

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    • Edited by RavenousLD3341: 10/24/2016 2:48:31 PM
      Nice find. That explains my issue. Wonder what is causing this strange issue. My theory is that there is a armor perk that does something to warlock grenades while in the air. Ahh. You know what. You're using Ophidian Aspect. Try the following for me. Change [b]Momentum Transfer[/b] to [b]Energy Projection[/b] and test again. If problem persists, since the Ophidian Aspect has an effect on Energy Drain, change gauntlets and try it again. It would not surprise me if the gauntlets were bugged, several armor pieces have been causing problems with this release. EDIT: You should mention eververse and silver to get a faster response.

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      • I've also noticed that sometimes the axion bolt doesn't activate sometimes just does a small explosion and then doesn't follow them.

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        • Edited by sam6862: 10/25/2016 6:16:24 AM
          I have done some testing in PvE using Voidwalker Axion Bolt + Embrace, and it appears that single jump is not affected. I was in the air when throwing grenade, and I was on the air when the grenade hits. And I got energy drain on every grenade kill as long as I don't Glide/blink/melee. When I throw grenade, and use Glide/Blink/melee before the grenade have time to fork into smaller bolts, then it fails to do any energy drain on grenade kills with Embrace the Void. Yes, melee appears to be affected with this problem. Vortex Grenade and Scatter Grenade appears to work fine all the time. Only axion bolt have this problem. Both my PS3 Destiny and PS4 are affected with this same bug, but sadly, probably last gen may not see any fixes. Edit: here is my video showing how Axion Bolt + Embrace + glide/melee fails. https://youtu.be/UVtyQr_Nz8U

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        • this keeps happening to me as well, I chuck an axion bolt and get a kill but energy drain doesn't trigger. I had no idea why it was happening but this seems like a feasible cause.

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        • I recently noticed this as well. From what I've experienced it's bugged during a mid-air kill. Being in the air or on the ground when you throw the grenade doesn't seem to matter, only that your in the air when the bolt strikes. The other grenades do not appear to have this problem, only the axion bolt. I have also had this happen when sliding down a hill at the time of a kill. Strange.

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        • I remember a while back there was a patch making Energy Drain proc correctly when holding a sword, this might have been an unintended consequence, good find. I use Dark-Drinker so much I just thought it wasn't properly fixed but that would explain it.

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        • A temporary workaround for this that I've found is after loading in go to your perks and switch "embrace the void" to one of the other perks and then back. This seems to work until you load again.

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        • Edited by KannibalKlown: 10/24/2016 2:21:24 PM
          You sir, get a massive "Thumbs Up" for finding some weird bug, giving details about replicating it, and posting a video. This is how things should go. Unfortunately all we get from the randoms on the Forum are either "OMFG Boolean Gemini quest broken" [i](it wasn't) [/i] or 2,048 people all reporting "OMG Faction Exotic ClassItem Quest Broken" [i](when there are a dozen similar threads on the front page already).[/i] or "Game is Broken, keeps giving me Baboon error when my WiFi is perfect" [i](enough said)[/i] Well done.

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        • That is such a weird and specific bug.

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        • Were you sustaining fire?

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          • Edited by GreenPaladin: 10/24/2016 3:43:40 AM
            Excellent research and evidence! I hope someone gets this over to the Bungie Devs. Good work.

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