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originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
originally posted in: SIVA and the Exodus Project
Edited by Penhalion Wolfe: 10/18/2016 10:44:19 AM
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The exodus program is no huge mystery! It was triggered by the following as the grimour pretty much points out! Earth was overcrowded. Mankind was looking for new homes as Earth couldn't support it's population. The exodus is wrongly attributed to the coming of the darkness. SIVA was developed as a colonisation tool. SIVA was usurped by the military primarily under the guise of providing colony protection. SIVA has a kill switch! Basically, if we were able to find even one colonist on board the ships (still alive) who worked on the Clovis project we could simply kill all siva instances using the kill switch. Rasputin by definition both controls and can therefore kill SIVA. He's been using it to both build constructs and presumably war sats, complexes etc. etc. A very frightening thing that Saladin Forge says, when we ask about getting Rasputin to help, is that Rasputin hasn't been "Just a warmind" for a very long time! He then says Rasputin was the one who killed the iron lords in the first place! A further clue that Rasputin is protecting mankind from US is that he went nova when he detected entities with a traveller i.e. [O] energy signature in the SIVA facility! After that he didn't ask any questions but, curiously was on the verge of creating an actual physical manifestation of himself at the end of the battle when Saladin was locked out of the chamber. This implies that he was going to tell them why they were being attacked! Edit: Even more curious (and I hope they start addressing these cliff hanger questions in Destiny 2) is that Rasputin does not consider YOU to be like the other guardians. this means one of two things that either your energy signature is not [O] i.e. traveller in origin, which would jell with the fact that your guardian is from the golden age when Rasputin was created or Rasputin, for some reason known only to him, does not consider you to be a threat to mankind. And I'll throw this wild one out there. I think Shiro is a direct Rasputin shell. Why, well because he creates a weapon for you from SIVA and knows how to both control and manipulate it. Something that should by definition not be possible for him or anyone else without golden age knowledge. Even the devil splicers are just winging it.
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  • In reply to your edit- I have often speculated that the Guardian is a reincarnated named story character, specifically Dr. Shim. That's why in the Archive we are addressed as Dr. Shim, and being that she helped in the creation of the Warminds, that she is already known to Rasputin.

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  • So, from my interpretation of the story of destiny so far, the reason that Rasputin doesn't consider the player character a threat is because we have been actively helping him at every opportunity. We opened the relay that gave him access to all of his systems. We forced Omnigul and the hive out of his core. We responded to his distress beacon and protected him from the SABER. We contained the Devil Splicer threat and killed Aksis. And, unlike the Consensus and the Vanguard, we haven't done this so that we can just take Rasputin's resources to use for our own. Out of the millions of guardians, we are the only one who has helped him at every turn, and has never (with the exception of the cloaking tech) attempted to take anything. So, it may be that these actions have gained us the trust of Rasputin. Or it's possible that its a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" relationship. Or it could just be that the extra layer of protection we provide is worth the minor security risk. That being said, if we attempted to break into a sealed zone like the Iron Lords did, I have no doubt that he'd respond in the same way, annihilating us with every tool at his disposal.

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  • Rasputin didn't actually authorize SIVA, if you read the card it states NO AI-COM REVIEW. It must be an automated protocol that he has no control over, hence his no response to the Iron Lords

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  • The NO AI-COM REVIEW is to state that the action has not been overseen by anyone else. Basically this is always Rasputin's statement for a Black-Op. Rasputin has certain lee-way when it comes to acting in the best interest of Humanity. It was Rasputin who started speeding up the offworld-ing of humanity. Exodus is one of his projects. Basically he decided that the best way to ensure that at least some of Humanity survived the coming darkness was to disperse us throughout the galaxy! He loaded SIVA onto colony ships along with Sub-Minds as they could then use SIVA to build entire colonies while the colonists slept in stasis. There appears to have been one Warmind per world so that means there should in theory still be an intact warmind on Jupiter. Mars was lost. Venus was also lost and we see some evidence in both Grimour and patrols that those warminds had their own projects in play. As for SIVA. It has no theoretical limits so it can actually be used to terraform entire worlds. This also begs another interesting question but, I'm not going there. I will just say this though. The VEX turned Mercury into a machine in days. Doesn't that sound awfully similar to simply SIVA bombing the planet. We know that SIVA are simply nano machines that "Crave" programming. The sub-minds that Rasputin put on the ships with it had to basically make it dormant because it was trying to use the sub-mind's own thought processes as a directive source in the absence of any other input.

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  • The no human/no AI com review is rasputin running a routine that he wants kept secret. He doesn't let humans or the other AI (warminds or his subminds) see it. At least that is my interpretation. The only two routines he has done that on to date is the SIVA on the iron lords and the one that would attack the traveler. Both ones I can see why he hid

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  • Dude... i think you're on to something with the Shiro thing. Kinda funny how we create a perfected under his direction, AND it looks way to similar to Rasputin's style of weaponry (Sleeper Simulant, and to a lesser extent, Pocket Infinity).

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  • How was earth overpopulated if other planets had already been colonized?

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  • O_o Um yea...Other planets were being colonised BECAUSE earth was overcrowded and it's resources were almost depleted. Unless you thought that somehow 3 billion people left earth overnight? I think you may want to watch the discovery channel once in a while....

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  • I have a new topic how about more chances at skeleton keys at the end of the heroic strikes so that way we can open up the treasure boxes to get the stuff out of the treasure boxes thank you have a nice day

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  • Edited by Yamanishi1: 10/18/2016 4:35:22 PM
    I got the same feeling about Shiro-04 and wrote a [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/215133589?sort=0&page=0]brief topic[/url] about this but a lot of people just ignore the facts because some guys made the mistake to consider that every exo was Rasputin in the past.

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  • Where do you find that Rasputin does not consider us to be like other guardians?

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  • Because he is helping us where as he has readily killed other guardians. Example. He gives us the sleeper. He allows us into his bunker (Ikora even comments that he NEVER does this stuff). He drops us a warsat to enter his bunker when he is being hacked. He doesn't kill us with SIVA when we go to shut down the replication plant when he clearly could have sent far worse than the old SIVA-ised iron lords after us. It's almost as if he allowed us to put the lords out of their misery before shutting down the complex. In fact Raspitin has been sending us codes and help for a while now.

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  • Edited by Solovey_Serenade: 10/18/2016 5:16:42 PM
    I think he just finds our guardian to be more resourceful. His main concern is protecting himself and furthering development. Protecting humanity and Earth aren't top priorities for him. Everything he does to "help" us is actually to help himself. We're merely a tool. He's not exactly a kind and gentle soul, considering the mind of Exodus Red addresses him as Tyrant.

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  • Following the story we became ascendants just to get to oryx realm, maybe thats why siva does not see us as light from the traveler.

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  • [quote]A further clue that Rasputin is protecting mankind from US is that he went nova when he detected entities with a traveller i.e. [O] energy signature in the SIVA facility! After that he didn't ask any questions but, curiously was on the verge of creating an actual physical manifestation of himself at the end of the battle when Saladin was locked out of the chamber. This implies that he was going to tell them why they were being attacked![/quote] Wow, that's a fascinating idea! What makes our guardian "different?" It might also shed light on how we were able to knockout Aethon, Crota, Oryx, and now Aksis where many other guardians have failed and died.

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  • Edited by Shin Malphurr: 11/1/2016 7:19:12 PM
    Have we also addressed being called a different name in the Archive missions when we first enter and the lights come on?

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  • Atheon was only possible due to Kabr Crota was possible due to Eris and her team. Oryx was possible because we were ascendant. Aksys... Well we just wrecked him cause why not...

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  • I'm not entirely sure on this, but I think the prototype SIVA mites we were infected before ROI may of had a hand in helping us in defeating Aksis. During our fight with him, we got a SIVA boost from somewhere. Along with that, the prototype mites don't have a kill switch like SIVA does, so even though they are dormant in us, they are still there.

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  • I think its just because we became ascendant hive in the taken campaign

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  • Our guardian, aka "The Guardian" can use the abilities of all sub classes. With the exception of a few notable heroes (Toland, Ikora, and possibly Cayde) guardians only have one sub class. Toland was a Sunsinger and Voidwalker and Ikora is void and arc. Cayde may possibly be a nightstalker and Osiris has mastered perma-radiance. However, our guardian is OP compared to them. Truthfully though when you look at how Rasputin behaves he isn't helping us except to help himself. The last array, that one mission on Mars, we are basically his dumb errand boy

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  • Ok no, most guardians can use multiple there's nothing to suggest other wise, another example is Wei Ning. They just have preferences. Osiris face glowing isn't perma radiance

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  • i actually find it funny that crota killed thousands when he emerged on the moon where a team of guardians (ranging from 1-6) can just go in and blow him out of the water. were those guardians inferior? or was it because we banished his soul back into his throne world where (Technically) hes more powerful? i just dont see how we killed crota.

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  • Crota killed us way more times then we've killed him.

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  • Well we got more intel than they did. Also they were ambushed by al akhul, cant remember which wizard but one was there and they had thrall to deal with. Remember the beginning of that raid. Couldn't jump or run after a certain amount of time in the darkness.

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  • They probably had some noob on their team that wasn't shooting at the oversoul.

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