Even if you buff lower impact shotguns no one will use them. The special ammo economy won't support them

I hit a guy with 4 Invective shots, final round included in this mind you, and he lives, manages to move an even [i]further[/i] distance out and 1 shots me at full with the Matador. I couldn't believe it. A buddy watching me said "is that a -blam!-ing joke?"

Or make each shotgun impact/range the same. (Invective range/impact.. if they have rifled barrel) Because they all 1 hit kill anyways. And only difference in firerate /stability. Why do they have different impact anyway when they all 1 shot kill at their intended range. And what i still dont get is the archetypes. 1.Highest impact/highest range. 2.Low impact /low range. Why would anyone pick option 2.

One time in IN I was shooting at a guy with the silvered dread, the came up to me, and killed me with Quantiplasm from at least 4m away.

[quote]Sorry for the baity title lel this is not a nerf post. Bungie's last weapon tuning did a bit of focus on the higher-impact pulses and buffed them up a bit since they were getting overrun by Hawksaws and Grasps. Why don't they do this to shotguns? Once again, this isn't a nerf post, I come in peace, just a couple suggestions to increase the diversity of shotguns we see in Crucible, so it's not just PC's and Matadors but also others, like that sweet Taken one that was released after the April Update. I'd love to see that around the Crucible, but unfortunately it's really nothing more than a shitty shotgun. I'm going to try to make suggestions to add some shotgun diversity without actually nerfing anything, so don't rip me to shreds LOL Here's the problem with this in a nutshell. 1) High-impact shotguns seem to generally have higher base range; Matador, Deidri, and Party Crasher. That seems innocent in itself, except that on shotguns, impact is essentially a range stat itself; higher impact means higher effective range. The higher damage each bullet in that spread does, the longer the OHK distance is (before damage drop-off), and the more damage is done even if most of the spread misses its target. It's why aggressive ballistics is so highly sought-after even though it negates range. I can't come up with lower-impact shotguns off the top of my head other than the aforementioned Taken shotty, and also the new IB shotgun which is one of the few low-impact shotguns I actually see nowadays because it does have a good base range stat. But the faster fire rate still is worthless in comparison to the lost damage because of point #2: 2) Shotgun-melee. I don't think this is OP, so don't take it that way, but if more shotguns than Matador want to see Crucible playing time, then this needs to go. Why? What this strategy does is negate fire-rate; fire-rate is a redundant stat on shotguns because of this. If you use a Party Crasher or Matador, you'll notice pretty quickly that the fire-rate is abysmal. However, if you're within melee range of someone and you don't kill someone outright with your first buckshot, then you can ignore that slow as hell fire-rate and just hit the melee button to finish them off. In itself, there's nothing wrong with this, but what this does it keep the faster-firing shotguns from finding their niche in being a little more forgiving for a missed kill. What can be done to change this? 1) Leave the range on the Party-Crasher archetype the same, but raise the range cap and base range on low-impact shotguns until their effective OHK range is fairly close to the PC. Still not at the same range though; since the lower-impact archetype obviously has a faster two-hit-kill time than the higher-impact one, they shouldn't be able to hit quite at the same range as Party Crashers can. 2) Institute a small melee cooldown after a shotgun blast, scaled to the rate of fire of the shotgun used, [i][b]effective only on the damaged person[/b][/i] (meaning that if you shoot one guy you can punch another before the cooldown expires), in return for slightly increased damage on the PC archetype. This will slightly increase effective range on that archetype while allowing faster-firing shotguns some room to breathe. Thoughts?[/quote] I completley agree, theres too much shottys and snipers running around trying to mlg the game when its a bit annoying and something bungie can fix easily.

How did everyone get the Matador with the LongviewSLR10 Scope?

[quote]Sorry for the baity title lel this is not a nerf post. Bungie's last weapon tuning did a bit of focus on the higher-impact pulses and buffed them up a bit since they were getting overrun by Hawksaws and Grasps. Why don't they do this to shotguns? Once again, this isn't a nerf post, I come in peace, just a couple suggestions to increase the diversity of shotguns we see in Crucible, so it's not just PC's and Matadors but also others, like that sweet Taken one that was released after the April Update. I'd love to see that around the Crucible, but unfortunately it's really nothing more than a shitty shotgun. I'm going to try to make suggestions to add some shotgun diversity without actually nerfing anything, so don't rip me to shreds LOL Here's the problem with this in a nutshell. 1) High-impact shotguns seem to generally have higher base range; Matador, Deidri, and Party Crasher. That seems innocent in itself, except that on shotguns, impact is essentially a range stat itself; higher impact means higher effective range. The higher damage each bullet in that spread does, the longer the OHK distance is (before damage drop-off), and the more damage is done even if most of the spread misses its target. It's why aggressive ballistics is so highly sought-after even though it negates range. I can't come up with lower-impact shotguns off the top of my head other than the aforementioned Taken shotty, and also the new IB shotgun which is one of the few low-impact shotguns I actually see nowadays because it does have a good base range stat. But the faster fire rate still is worthless in comparison to the lost damage because of point #2: 2) Shotgun-melee. I don't think this is OP, so don't take it that way, but if more shotguns than Matador want to see Crucible playing time, then this needs to go. Why? What this strategy does is negate fire-rate; fire-rate is a redundant stat on shotguns because of this. If you use a Party Crasher or Matador, you'll notice pretty quickly that the fire-rate is abysmal. However, if you're within melee range of someone and you don't kill someone outright with your first buckshot, then you can ignore that slow as hell fire-rate and just hit the melee button to finish them off. In itself, there's nothing wrong with this, but what this does it keep the faster-firing shotguns from finding their niche in being a little more forgiving for a missed kill. What can be done to change this? 1) Leave the range on the Party-Crasher archetype the same, but raise the range cap and base range on low-impact shotguns until their effective OHK range is fairly close to the PC. Still not at the same range though; since the lower-impact archetype obviously has a faster two-hit-kill time than the higher-impact one, they shouldn't be able to hit quite at the same range as Party Crashers can. 2) Institute a small melee cooldown after a shotgun blast, scaled to the rate of fire of the shotgun used, [i][b]effective only on the damaged person[/b][/i] (meaning that if you shoot one guy you can punch another before the cooldown expires), in return for slightly increased damage on the PC archetype. This will slightly increase effective range on that archetype while allowing faster-firing shotguns some room to breathe. Thoughts?[/quote] Keep shotguns. The Trespasser is a NASTY counter.

Matador with full auto is the most broken gun in the game...the fire rate is obnoxious and there's nothing you can do against it unless you get lucky lol

Or buff primary's

The high rof shottys should just get more ammo. So the 2 or 3 shots to kill wouldnt cost you all of your ammo after 3 kills.

I have the perfect solution to this shotgun problem... If being shot one should have his movement speed reduced in half. Meaning if Im being rushed with a shotty head on and im shooting you, you will die waaay b4 you get in 1 hit kill range

I vote getting rid of shotguns altogether. Fck em.

The crucible is a game of special weapons. Special weapons out perform the primaries at the moment so thats all everyone uses. Could you imagine if we had a weekend of trials with zero special weapons? How great would it be if we had actually gun fights! Primaries should be renamed special because in that rare instance you get killed by a primary, it feels special!