It's true that having an actual PTR on a console game would be difficult due to the stricter requirements for pushing patches, but there is a certain "culture" that goes along with having a PTR beyond the actual implementation of the server. When balance changes are made to Overwatch, players know [i]weeks[/i] in advance what's coming. And they know why. This establishes a habit of communication and respect between the developers and players, even when the server isn't in the loop. As an example of that, we know that the character Symmetra is currently being worked on. We know what shortcomings brought that character to Blizzard's attention. It will likely be a month or more before we actually see any patch notes, but we know they're working on it. In contrast, let's ask ourselves about Destiny. What is the sandbox team working on right now? What classes or weapons have caught their attention? We probably won't know anything until five days (or less) before the patch drops. We may never fully understand why changes were made. That approach has cultural repercussions of its own. Without official updates on the status of the different elements of the game, the community sets the tone and standard for balance discussions. Right now, there are forum topics asserting that Bladedancers are overpowered, Bladedancers are underpowered, Strikers are overpowered, Strikers are underpowered, Defenders need to be nerfed, Stormcallers need to be nerfed, Nightstalkers need to be nerfed, Gunslingers need to be buffed, Sunsingers need to be buffed, and every class is absolutely perfect as it is currently. By the time Bungie weighs in on anything, they're just another voice in the deluge, and everyone has gotten so used to defending their own position, and dismissing everyone else's, that people don't respect the authenticity of Bungie's reasoning either. How can they? The sandbox team shows up unexpectedly, drops a bombshell into an already contentious environment, and then disappears for four months. I'm not suggesting that Bungie should release detailed patch notes weeks in advance of the actual changes. I'm sure they tweak things right up until the last minute. But that's the thing. They're making those tweaks [i]right now[/i]. They might not know for sure what the final details might be, but they know what they're working on. They know what problems they're trying to address. My suggestion is this: Don't wait until the last minute to let us in on that loop. Give us periodic peaks behind the curtain. Don't wait until after the fact to explain why you thought a change was necessary. Let us know what you consider problematic before hand, so we can understand what you're trying to fix before specific changes are announced. You have multiple different ways of communicating with your community. Use them for something meaningful.