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originally posted in: New Theory: Exos
9/18/2016 1:44:11 PM
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Only one major problem. At first I thought there were two problems, as I happened to see the same comment thread where you got this idea. I think I might've replied to it also, but not positive. I was Going to say that in current lore his name is Andal Brask, not jun. Jun was an old name for him that got replaced when the game came out. But you cleared that up with the name change theory. Of course that brings me to the problem. Exo's were created in the time shortly before the collapse. You could say it was technically golden age, but it was right at the end as exo's were created to combat the darkness. So If Jun/Andal Brask is cayde, that would mean he not only lived through a good portion of the golden age, lived through the collapse, was there at the founding of the last city and the guardian order, somehow acquired a ghost and became a guardian, rose to become a member of the vanguard (which takes time), and was still fairly young. Yes human life spans were increased in the golden age, I believe it said somewhere people were living hundreds of years, but not positive. Either way, this theory is impossible, as Jun/Andal Brask would have lived for over 700 years.
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  • Wouldn't an exo be able to live indefinitely? I mean they could potentially change frames with each memory wipe, if need be? Especially if Nano machines are fixing everything as it ages.....just spit balling here

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  • Yeah an exo could live forever assuming they take part in regular maintenance, but a human couldn't (except the guardians). Problem is Andal Brask/Joden/Jun is a human, and he would have had to live much longer than possible to become a guardian in the first place in order to be immortal. So although cayde could be immortal, Brask/Joden/Jun would have died of old age before he even had the chance of becoming a guardian.

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  • Unless these nano mites are what created exo's in the 1st place. That would have had to have happened a long time ago. So it's not out of the realm of possibility. Sure, he was human....once

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  • Yes he was human once, but brask would have died. Therefore brask couldn't be human cayde. Brask was the vanguard before cayde, and died shortly before the story of vanilla destiny, while cayde was alive. Brask would have died before the advent of the vangaurd.

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  • Makes sense! I'm more interested in this "infection" being how Exo's came to be, myself.

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  • Guardians don't age. The human lifespan is now 300 years, but many Guardians hav clearly lived longer and it's made obvious that they don't age by the talk of Guardians being able to live forever if they don't lose their Ghosts. Best examples are the Speaker, Osiris, and people like Saladin, Shaxx, and Zavala, who survived Twilight Gap and are now at least several centuries old

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  • Correct that guardians don't age, but he would have lived a hella long time before becoming a guardian in the first place is my point. And considering each ghost has a specific person they are sent out for (even though they don't know who it is until they find them) it doesn't make sense that two ghosts were sent after the same person.

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  • You are right about that, but having that long of a lifespan seems a little too much seeing how they cap it at 300. So I theorize that at least Brask died, if not both he and Cayde. Judging by Cayde's Notes it seems to me like he may actually hav died and, as he says in his notes, being brought back by the Light enhances the fragments left in an EXO's memory. So it could be that they are from the same mind and both died so hav no memory of each other (aside from whatever fragments remain in Cayde)

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  • Well are there any known guardians who weren't resurrected? Was it possible for a human like Brask to become a guardian without dying first? If so that would explain the theory for not aging.

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  • Shin Malphur is the only known Guardian who wasn't resurrected (only KNOWN Guardian). But it is clear that as soon as Jaren Ward's Ghost makes him a Guardian he stops aging, because he spends years hunting for Dredgen Yor but shows no sign of aging any longer (plus it would make no sense for only one Guardian to continue aging while the others don't)

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  • So Cayde is Destiny's version of Yoda.

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  • At first this threw me off too, but looking at the timeline, this is perfectly reasonable. Guardians such as Lord Saladin have been around since he building of the Wall: our Vanguard is only the second round of Guardians. The City actually hasn't been around as long as we thought

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  • You should work for the FBI

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  • 700 hundred years would fall under the hundreds of years category don't you think? ,

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  • hundreds as in around 200, not 700.

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