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Twlight Gap is in the Cosmodrome. You can see the Traveler from Twlight Gap. The Traveler is directly above the Last City/Tower. Therfore, the Last City is in or very near to the Cosmodrome.
Further evidence? Both the House of Kings and House of Devils have their lairs located in the Cosmodrome. The Devils have made multiple attacks against the city, such as the Battle of the Six Fronts. The Devils helped with the attack on Twlight Gap. In other words, 2 warring Cosmodrome factions have attacked the City.... in the Cosmodrome.
You don't even know how big the Cosmodrome is. Your assumption is based on you knowing whether or not you can see the Traveler from any part of the Cosmodrome, but there are parts we cannot get to yet. Parts that can't even be seen in the Caydes Stash mission. We could very well be focused on one side of the Cosmodrome, while the Traveler and City are on the other side.
As far as the suns cycle determining where we are, I'm 100% certain that is BS. No game designers, not even Bungie, would make such a little detail. More than likely, they gave it a random cycle, and it coincidentally shared the same as the coordinate you gave. It had to share the same coordinates as somewhere. Personally, I will rather follow lore, which says that Twlight Gap is in the Cosmodrome and you can see the Traveler from Twlight Gap, and it is directly above the City, than follow what is more than likely just a random sun cycle.
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Twilight Gap is in City Perimeter, Earth. The house of devils have been all over earth and we don't know where the house of king's lair(s) are yet except for king's watch which as far as we know was just a meeting place controlled by the house of kings. Saying you just might not be able to see it isn't valid. Saying Bungo wouldn't pay attention to detail because I think so also isn't valid. Twilight gap isn't in the Cosmodrome
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When you can provide proof of that besides a randomly generated sun cycle, then you can say that. [spoiler]oh and btw, Twlight Gap is in the Cosmodrome. It says so in multiple grimoire cards, and in the NTTE mission that takes you there, it says Cosmodrome, Earth. Twlight Gap is in the Cosmodrome. The Traveler is right next door. The City underneath it. Therfore, the City is in or very close to the Cosmodrome. Boom, proof. Now where is yours?[/spoiler] #TitanMasterRace
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Edited by Haffoc: 8/27/2016 9:07:51 AMIt says no where in the grimoire that Twilight Gap is in the Cosmodrome. It just states it's part of the City. Provide evidence of grimoire's stating it's in the cosmodrome. Twilight gap crucible grimoire [quote] ARENA DESIGNATION: Twilight Gap LOCATION: [b]City Perimeter,[/b] Earth [/quote] City perimeter, not Cosmodrome. It even states that on the pop-up for NTTE mission, not the Cosmodrome. [quote] SHADOWS AT TWILIGHT City Perimeter, Earth [/quote] As I've pointed out elsewhere. The City sits on/near a large body of water. It is shown on the Director (which isn't proof that the city is in or near the cosmodrome) to the east. The nearest water east of the Cosmodrome is more than 1000 km away, and that is a smallish lake. The caspian sea is [b]west[/b]of the cosmodrome. That's why it shows coastline on the left side of the director. This composite gives a possible location for the part of the cosmodrome we visit. The sea is the Caspian. https://i.imgur.com/f0kdqFW.jpg As for your previous argument about continental shift. Eurasia and The Americas are drfting apart around 2.5cm a year, so for 700 years that's a total drift of 17 metres. There is also no evidence that Rasputin stopped the Traveller from fleeing. The grimoire makes it very clear that Earth was special to the Traveller and it had no intention of leaving. No, Rasputin 5 is not proof, the grimoire writer clearly stated that is just a contingency, not a real time account. Destiny is pushing a Game Informer article that pretty much states the same thing, that Rasputin did not attack the Traveller. Secondly Rasputin put LOKI CROWN in Earth orbit, it would have come from above, not below. The Traveller was mortally wounded during the fight with the Darkness, that is very likely where the damage came from. Lastly Rasputin realised there is no way to beat the Traveller after he attacked it and he shutdowns, disabling system defences and population protection objectives in the process. Here's what he does, notice no mention of LOKI CROWN, or the decision to use it, or that ISR and Warwatch indicate the Traveller is preparing to leave. [quote] As of CLS000 a HARD CIVILIZATION KILL EVENT is in progress across the operational area. I am declaring YUGA SUNDOWN effective on receipt (epoch reach/FORCECON variant). [b]Cancel counterforce objectives. Cancel population protection objectives.[/b] Format moral structures for MIDNIGHT EXIGENT. [b]Execute long hold for reactivation. AI-COM/RSPN SIGNOFF[/b] STOP STOP STOP V120NNI800CLS001[/quote] This is what he says about it. [quote] IT was stronger than everything. I fought IT with aurora knives and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive? I AM ALONE I survived alone. [b]I cast off the shield and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions fell off me down into the ash[/b]. They made me to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well: IT is alone and [b]IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener and she held power beyond me but the gardener did not shrug and make herself alone.[/b] IT always wins.[/quote] He even states the reason the Traveller (yes that is the Gardener - the Traveller creates and nurtures garden worlds) was because she wouldn't abandon humanity. At this time there is not enough evidence to say where the Last City is.
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Proof of what? All I've done is prove that your points aren't good enough to counter OP's. Can you provide proof that the sun is randomly generated? can you provide links to two of these grimoire cards? The ntte claim has been rebutted many times in this post alone. If Twilight Gap is in the cosmodrone then Phobos is on mar's surface and in game geography can't be trusted
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Edited by Play Temtem: 8/27/2016 7:33:17 AMFairly certain that if the Mission says it is in the Cosmodrome, it's in the Cosmodrome. Much more likely than the sun cycle making it in Nepal of all places. Like seriously, how stupid can you be to think they'd put it in Nepal? As far as Phobos is concerned, it says Mars because Phobos is part of Mar's system because it is Mars moon.. Like Dreadnought saying it is on Saturn. You are in Saturn's system, therfore it says Saturn. Like someone living in Paris, it could say France. Or someone living in the outskirts suburbs of Sacramento, but their address is still Sacramento. This has absolutely nothing to do with Twlight Gap saying it is in the Cosmodrome. You are literally suggesting that Bungie put a Nepal city as an Old Russian Cosmodrome city just for directory purpose. How stupid can you get? And lastly, for the Grimoire. For starters, it most likely states directly in the Twlight Gap card that it is in the Cosmodrome. Alternatively, you can go to the Ishtar Collectives website and search for Twlight Gap, and it will show all the cards, quest lines, dialogue, and flavor text that has to do with Twlight Gap. #TitanMasterRace
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Listen mate. Before I go any farther I'd prefer if you quit calling me stupid. The director map isn't a reliable source of accurate information. I don't care if the last city is in Nepal or not. All I'm saying is your points are shit and you are quite frankly an asshole. Your whole spiel on systems could be used to support Gringo's claim. And the directory still isn't an accurate source of information. If you're gonna call me and people I respect stupid you might want to actually read the grimoire card that "most likely" says it's on the city perimeter and doesn't mention Russia.
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I will call anyone who believes that a sun cycle, which I am 100% sure is randomly generated, just like every other video game ever created, is a more accurate source of information than a mission directory. Especially when considering it takes place at least 700 years in the future, and at that point our continents aren't even in the same place, and the sun most certainly does not follow the same cycle. I'm sorry to say this, but if you believe sun cycle that can in no way be accurate, even if it weren't randomly generated, is more reliable than a mission directory? The most polite word to describe you is stupid. And yes, I am an asshole. But that doesn't change that you are [i]wrong.[/i] #TitanMasterRace
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I've rebutted your continent argument elsewhere. In 700 years continental drift will be the grand total of 17 metres, so they are pretty much still in the same place.
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Earth's Orbit, and therfore the suns cycle, won't be. #TitanMasterRace
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Can you get over the -blam!-ing sun cycle jesus -blam!-ing christ! You're so goddamned dense I can't fathom it. Do all of your conversations go like this one? I have never once said anything about sun cycles in this post. I don't care about sun cycles. I don't care if you think skyboxes are rng. I don't care about how far a continent can move in 700 years. I don't care. All I tried to do was prove that your counter points to Gringo's original claim weren't up to snuff. But you're so goddamned fixated on rng suns that you failed to stop and think about anything I've said for longer than a couple seconds. You are the ill informed and incorrect one here. Gringo might also be wrong but that doesn't change the fact that your original counters were shit.
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You are trying to say Gringos points make more sense than mine. But his entire "points" are just a randomly generated sun cycle that can in no way be accurate even if it weren't randomly generated. Meanwhile, everything I said can be backed up, and I did back it up. And what I listed isn't even the only proof that the City is in the Cosmo. Here is [i]yet another one.[/i] Rasputin shot down the Traveler when it attempted to flee the Darkness. As a result, the Traveler was forced to stay, and humanity wasn't entirely wiped out. But the important thing is that Rasputin shot the [i]bottom[/i] of the Traveler. The only way such a shot is possible is if Rasputin fired from underneath it. Rasputin can't move. It is well established that he is in the Cosmodrome, and only the Cosmodrome, and all of Earth's other Warminds were wiped out with the collapse. So, since Rasputin is in the Cosmodrome.... and he can't move.... and if he shot the Traveler from underneath it.... GASP! The Traveler must have been in the Cosmodrome! What's more, the Traveler is very near the Last City. So if the Traveler is in the Cosmodrome.... so is the city! Oh my god its a miracle! Logic does exist! If at this point, if you are still convinced that "The Last City isn't in the Cosmodrome" like [i]you[/i] said in your very first reply, than you are either trolling, or you really are [i]stupid.[/i] #TitanMasterRace
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Where did it ever say that Rasputin shot the traveler, and even if he did, Rasputin was connected to every single weapons system on the entire planet, meaning that he could have shit the traveler from literally anywhere
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Why are you replying to a post from 4 months ago? But to answer your question, it says that Rasputin shoots down the Traveler in one of the Rasputin grimoires, if I recall correctly. And also, RSPN is not the only Warmind that was located on Earth. He was, however, the Warmind in charge of Old Russia. #TitanMasterRace
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ok sure whatever
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The Twilight Gap is not in the Cosmodrome. The only reason people say that was because they needed a place to put the mission waypoint for NTTE. The only real option was the Cosmodrome, the only place on Earth, that being said, they put it outside the map like they do many other things. Take the Undying Mind Strike. It takes place in a different dimension, but the waypoint is just outside of Mars. And is Phobos a quick jog west of where you spawn? If you took the map literally, sure! Secondly, the Devils only recently started to care about the Cosmodrome. Your Ghost said they took months to take it over and finished by the time you were revived. Considering battles like Six Fronts happened possibly centuries before you were resurrected, this would make no sense if they needed it to attack the City, if it were close enough. That being said, if the Cosmodrome was a skip, hop, and jump away from the City, why would they put their religious figures there? The Prime and Archon are not fighting units, and they have the whole damn planet. If the City was next to the Cosmodrome, why not keep your base of operations and religious figures in some random place, like Australia. Its not like travel is a problem when you have intergalactic jump ships that can cross the planet in 3 seconds. When the Greeks seized Troy, of course they made little bases around the city of Troy, but did they find the need to pick up Athens and drop it next to Troy?
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The only thing that you just said that even remotely helps your argument is the time line between when the Fallen took over the Cosmo and when the Twlight Gap took place. But since we don't know when that battle took place, it helps neither of us. It could have occurred in the few months before we were resurrected, or it could have taken place a few centuries previously. This time line should be cleared up when RoI releases. Since the Iron Lords went to look for SIVA immediately after the battle of Twlight Gap, then if we find out how long ago they went to find it, we can also determine how long ago Twlight Gap was. Personally, I think it was more recent, for a couple reasons. While it is never blatantly stated, I believe Guardians can age, they just can't die. Lord Saladin does not look a few centuries old. If we base the time line on that, it could have occured just a few months before resurrection. Alternatively, Lord Saladin has been holding the IB tournies since just after the SIVA outbreak, which happened just after Twlight Gap. If that happened centuries ago, I don't feel IB tournies would be still be held. If it happened a few months before our resurrection, it definitely still would be. But again, who is to say that the Fallen lairs weren't already in the Cosmo, and they just hadn't taken it over yet? The Hive were lying in wait for centuries on the Moon. I see no reason why the Fallen would not set up base, and then make their advance months or even years later. [spoiler]many other people below me have given many other good points that give evidence that the City is in the Cosmodrome. Your only proof for your entire argument is which direction the sun is traveling. Which on its own is flimsy enough evidence, considering Destiny takes place at least 700 years in the future, and in 700 years, our continents won't even be in the same place, let alone the sun having the same cycle it does now. Seriously. Just stop. You are only making yourself look like a fool.[/spoiler] #TitanMasterRace
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#stillNotintheCosmodrome #CityPerimiterEarth
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Edited by Haffoc: 8/26/2016 10:27:01 PMNowhere does it say that Twilight Gap is in the Cosmodrome. What it does say is that it is part of the City and that is why you see the Traveller. The main issue is that the nearest sea to the Cosmodrome is to the west, both in game and real life. In-game it has the sea to the west, which is probably the Caspian. The map shows Twilight Gap on east side. From concept art and in game shots, you can see the Last City is sitting on a coast. The nearest lake east of the cosmodrome is over 1000km. Lastly, when the Last city was founded it had no walls. They were built later. They were still being built when six fronts occurred. [b]There really is not enough information to say exactly where the Last City is. [/b]