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I've just thought about something, as gravity can distort space/time could the other forces distort it as well if in large enough quantity? Like strong nuclear force.
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A black hole distorts light o
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[quote]I've just thought about something, as gravity can distort space/time could the other forces distort it as well if in large enough quantity? Like strong nuclear force.[/quote] Gravity doesn't distort Space-time, mass does. Gravity is a by product. How dense an object is determines the state of the space-time distortion. This is not to be confused by how big something is. As a neutron star is smaller than a regular star but creates a far more gravitational effect in space. Density is simply the amount of space between atoms. The Sun, for example, is dense enough that it takes a single particle of light, a Photon, a million years to exit the surface after bouncing around internally. Which is why stars last so long. The denser the object, the less space there is between particles, and the heavier it is, The more effect it has on space-time.
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Gravity is the cause. Ever heard of Einstein's Theory of General Relativity? Along with the Nuclear strong and weak forces, and the Electro-Magnetic force, Gravity plays a crucial role. It is the reason for mass. What does it mean to say a space-time distortion? It means that the path of light is curved, moving slightly slower, depending on the force of gravity. All objects have mass. Gravity is the force acting on them. Mass just is.
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The other guy is right on this one, although you were probably done with this convo anyway, but yeah... Anything with mass has gravity, not anything with Gravity has mass. The bigger something is/the more mass it has, the more gravity it has. So if you're in deep space with nothing else around you, but a golf ball, the golf ball would begin to orbit you, seeing as how you are the object with greater mass. Black holes are small in size, but they were once stars with incredible amounts of mass, meaning they may be small, but their gravity is large due to being full of mass.
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No, I'm not done with the conversation. My point is about a "piece" of matter and a "force" of nature. A sphere (planet, apple, atom) can be destroyed, but the energy? Energy is released or stored; matter is broken down or put together. Gravity stays, matter goes. It is not the other way around. The converse is to say that matter cannot be destroyed which is purely false. But as an apple decays, the energy within (sugars) are absorbed by the worms, bacteria, etc... Atoms when destroyed release huge amounts of energy (fission, fusion). So why is it difficult to think about planets this way? Your statement about gravity existing without mass is quite intriguing. Can you give an example? On the other hand, how much gravity does an apple have? On Earth in a refrigerator or in a footprint on the moon? Does the apple have enough matter to produce a gravitational field?
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Gravity is caused by mass, not the other way around. Without heavy objects in space to distort it, Gravity wouldn't exist.
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No offense, but it's the other way around. The actual formula needed is E=MC^2 There is a relationship between energy and the mass of an object. The constant is the speed of light. When an object is destroyed and has enough mass to cause a singularity, the gravity will still exist; hence black hole. We see this with Stars. Our own sun will die and create a black hole. Gravity will still exist. That's why it is a fundamental force of nature. In other words, matter can be destroyed, turning mass into energy causing an explosion. Gravity cannot be destroyed.
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A black hole distorts Space-time so much as the density of the mass has reached a point where it has collapsed in on itself, creating a singularity. The Gravity well is so intense that not even light can escape, making it practically invisible. Sending a signal into it would mean you get no reply as nothing would bounce back. This doesn't mean there isn't mass in a black hole, it's simply that we can't see it. If there was no mass in the universe, Gravity would not exist. I must say, it's a nice change discussing spacial mechanics in a game rather than kill ratios.
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It's weird all light that passes by a black hole is flipped which trippy as 💩[spoiler]I find it funny how we are only discussing the theory of something that should not exist [/spoiler]
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I like the view about mass in a black hole. We can agree there is much more to learn. I think physics, as well as the other sciences should be discussed more in this game. I'm wondering if Destiny 2 will have black holes?
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Lol. The mass doesn't change when a star collapses. It's volume does, but not the mass. By concentrating that mass into a single point the gravity is also concentrated.
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Gravity isn't the cause of mass, mass causes gravity. Everything that has mass creates a gravitational pull, the larger the mass the more gravity. Density also affects how much gravity there will be as a dwarf star has much more of a gravitational effect then that of our sun, even if it is smaller.
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Gravity is a result of the distortion of space-time, not the cause.
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I considered this. Could explain the extra gravity on the moon.
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And could it possibly be used to distort distances in space? Just a theory, it's probably wayyyy out of our reach to make something like that currently but might be possible.
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Wormholes is what you are thinking of
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No It's not Pretty close tho. In theory both do the same thing, and are the same thing dependent on what definition of wormhole you use. But even then wormholes could be...problematic, if used in the compression sense. If that where the case, they'd have a [b][i][u]lot[/u][/i][/b] of interference over long distances