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originally posted in: The Last City is NOT In Old Russia
8/26/2016 12:51:48 PM
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2 facts that prove the last city is in old russia: 1) Twilight gap is in the border of the cosmodrome. http://i.imgur.com/946T6ce.jpg 2) The Devils nest on the cosmodrome and they do in the past constant raids to the last city.
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  • Actually that's around where Fielwinter's Peak will be

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  • Just because the mission on the Director is showing it in the Cosmodrome, doesn't mean that it's where it really is. If you recall, where the mission is for the Twilight Gap, and the Director image of where the Plaguelands are then the Plaguelands are right next to the City perimeter, in which they it is not.

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  • Thank you sir. Validation

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  • That really doesn't prove anything at all. If they sent you to Australia, the current director would show you it's somewhere near the Cosmodrome. The Devils have ketch's - those things that do atmospheric entry when a Fallen event happens. The cosmodrome is/was a rich source of technology and resources, resources their Servitors needs to create Ether. Rasputin is there too, they want to crack him. It is tactically unsound to have your HQ right next to the front line. There are plenty of images showing the surrounding area of the city and no cosmodrome. When the city was first settled it had no walls. You can see the Traveller from Twilight Gap, you can't from the cosmodrome - anywhere, even from one of the colony ships. Lastly having the Traveller that is at least a mile or more in size parked over your rocket launch site isn't a very smart move, not if you want to avoid potentially world destroying accidents.

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  • And I quote: "The Battle of the Twilight Gap was one of the biggest battles ever faced by the City. This battle took place at the outskirts of the city, at the Twilight Gap." Ergo the Cosmodrome is located just outside the Last City.

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  • No, it just tells you that a battle took place within the city perimeter not the cosmodrome. There is nothing at all there that shows the city is the same place as the cosmodrome.

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  • Actually you are right.. My mistake, I could have sworn Twilight Gap was said to be in the cosmodrome but checking the grimoire it just says city perimeter. Started doubting myself when I remembered you can't see the traveller from the Cosmodrome.. I guess we will find out for sure with the DLC, if you can't see the Traveller from Felwinter's Peak then it's a good guess that it's not in Old Russia.

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  • To be fair, I'm not arguing that the City is in any specific place. Just that at this time we just can't tell. There isn't really enough evidence to place it's location. It could be in Russia somewhere. Russia is a big place. It covers some 3000km or more. The mountain range that Sochi is near is a good example and it borders the Black Sea. Nepal also has a couple of lakes near mountains. I'm sure Chile does too. I would be surprised though that a whopping large ball was parked near a place that volatile rocket fuels were being stored and used, let alone regular launches that could veer off target, especially if the Traveller manifests some gravitational force but I'm open to Bungie proving that is the case.

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  • Twilight gap is located in in the Cosmodrome and Twilight Gap is confirmed in the grimoire to be located on the outskirts of the Last City, ergo the Cosmodrome is on the outskirts of the Last City... doesn't get more clear than that.

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  • You would think. 😁

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  • Edited by Haffoc: 8/26/2016 4:30:08 PM
    No Twilight gap lies within the city, NOT the cosmodrome. There is nothing liking it to being in the cosmodrome at all. Do you know what the real cosmodrome is like? The one they based it on? Baikonur? The ground is flat with the nearest mountains around 1000km away. Where does it state that Twilight gap is in the cosmodrome? A clunky in-game map is not proof. Explain why you can not see the Traveller, which rises above the clouds, from the colony ship in Cayde's stash. [b]Explain why the city had no walls when it was first settled. [/b] Show me the cosmodrome and colony ships in the following 2 images http://i.imgur.com/Ai5SVIx.png https://i.imgur.com/B7OIOTN.jpg We do not have enough evidence to say where the Last city is, let alone that it is in the cosmodrome. A clunky map interface is stretching things too far.

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  • I would assume the city had no walls because it had not been attacked yet. Not sure what that has to do with this conversation though.

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  • Edited by VicVinces: 8/26/2016 1:50:16 PM
    Wow, its right in front of your eyes and you dont see it. Cmon man its time to give it up. You were wrong just admit it.

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  • Edited by Haffoc: 8/26/2016 4:24:25 PM
    Seriously an in game map director that is limited in no way proves the city is in the cosmodrome. That is trying to stretch things too far. Twilight gap really does not prove the city is in the cosmodrome. Do you know what the real cosmodrome is like? It's flat land, the nearest mountains are 1000km away. If it's in the cosmodrome then why didn't the city have any walls when it was settled? The City Age [quote]When did the City Age begin? Perhaps when the bulk of the world's survivors lived beneath the Traveler, rather than in the wilderness. [b]Or when the Titans raised the first wall.[/b][/quote] Take a look at these images http://i.imgur.com/Ai5SVIx.png https://i.imgur.com/B7OIOTN.jpg Where is the cosmodrome and colony ships? Why can't you see an large globe that rises above the clouds and is probably several miles across, from the Cosmodrome?

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  • Lol, you beat that dead horse man. The twilight gap mission for no time to explain is accessed from the cosmodrome. Just cuz you dont like it doesnt mean its not true. It has nothing to do with fallen ketches or the suns movement or Chile or Caydes stash. Sometimes you can see things far away sometimes you cant. I will say that destiny has a problem with being consistent showing the scale of things. In their art and on screen. Probably because they dont really care if weirdos like us obsess about little details on their forums.

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  • Edited by Haffoc: 8/26/2016 5:53:29 PM
    No, it is accessed on a clunky map that was designed for a very small location. One they didn't bother to change for one mission. Now here's the real killer, The Last city sits on a coast. [b]The only coast it could be for the cosmodrome is west, the Caspian Sea.[/b] Yet according to your map Twilight Gap appears to be on [b]the east[/b] - totally wrong side. T[b]he Caspian is around 1000km away from the cosmodrome[/b], the [b]nearest sea on the west is around 4000km.[/b] Now the Traveller is big enough (rises above cloud level) that it can't be missed in Twilight gap. Yet for some mysterious reason that you can't explain it is invisible right next door in the Cosmodrome. https://i.imgur.com/owblczH.png [b]As I said there really is no proof at all where the Last city is.[/b] Wherever is picked is, for the most, guesswork. I also see you ignored explaining why the Last city didn't have any walls despite being supposedly located in a location full or walls. If they were that close, they would have settled the Cosmodrome itself.

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  • I suppose you could be right. Twilight gap could be nowhere near the cosmodrome and bungie just decided to put the mission there because there are no nepal/chile/canada/paraguay maps and they were too lazy to make one. Maybe the iron lords who built the walls of the last city and swore to defend it figured they should operate from a base thats nowhere near it. Or.......It could be near the cosmodrome and thats why they put the mission there. That could be why Felwinters peak overlooks the cosmodrome. So the iron lords, who built the walls of the last city and swore to defend it could be closeby. Which one makes more sense? Ask yourself. Be honest now. Cmon. You know it. Its fun to theorize but at the end of the day the simplest explanation is usually the right one.

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  • Until RoI launches we really don't know whether Felwinters peak is near the city or not. If it was, we really wouldn't need a new base of operations. Why go there when the city is probably just a couple of minute or less of extra flight time? Bungie would drastically have to shrink Russia for it to be true. The nearest body of water east of the cosmodrome is 1000km away. The city sits on a large body of water, it looks much larger than a lake. There really is not enough evidence to say where the Last City is.

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  • Whatever, how about this? I am done. You can have the last word in... 3 2 1 Annnnnnd GO!

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