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8/25/2016 11:48:53 PM
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Buff both Titan Exclusive Weapons
Do something with them.
First off the Immobius perk should be usable for all subclasses, because it goes that way for warlocks' and hunters' exclusive guns.
I think the Immobius perk should be "Ammo is not expended when standing in ability field." So that means shooting while inside your bubble with any perk, your aftermath, or sunspot won't expend ammo.
Then Fabian Strategy should get stat buffs and the front line perk should be "Increased armor when enemies are near" (one enemy).
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Like the idea for the fabian, but it wouldnt work well. If it barely gives you an armor boost, then its useless. But if it gives you too much, then it'll be OP. Either way it needs a buff. It needs to keep its damage at the higher rate of fire, even it they reduce the increased rof
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1 ReplyTitans got screwed with their exclusive weapons they are both crap lol
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2 RepliesNo you already have Shoulder Charge
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Edited by Wamper: 8/29/2016 7:08:13 PMThe Fabian stratagy: half the decrease in damage when front lines perk is active. Replace flared magwell with braced frame. Add 10 bullets to the magazine for a total of 50 bullets.(braced frame removes 8 bullets, but adds stability) Immobius: bouncer perk works with weapons of light, blessings of light, and armor of light. Seems balanced that way to me. Maybe a 25% chance to pull ammo out of reserves when front lines is active or a +1 armor when aiming down sights.
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Fabian Strategy should grant +1 armor when ADS (Aiming down the sights) when Surrounded gain +1 armor (max +5) become immune to Flinch while Front-Lines is active your allies gain +1 armor when they ADS with a Fabian Strategy keep the damage the same even when the exotic perk is active increase the base magazine size by 12 rounds While Front Lines is active the weapon will auto re-load itself. Immobius should allow the titan to shoot 1meter thru their shield while armor is active also while Force barrier is active no rounds should be expended or just grant +2 bonus reserve ammo per kill.
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I think the Fabian strategy should make it so you take less damage from the front while you are aiming, but not anything too extreme
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20 RepliesWith the fabian front lines should only increase fire rate and not lower damage then it would be viable
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Here's an idea..................... For PVE only, not for pvp............... Let the autorifle shoot outward through the bubble. Maybe with a slightly reduced impact. So you can finally damage deal without having to expose your self.... Reduction to damage of rounds that pass through the bubble are balanced so that if you have weapons of light active the damage is the same as it would normally be if you were not firing from inside the bubble. This would make it your go to weapon for all bubble titans... And I say this again. Very clearly... This perk should only be active for PVE, maybe the perk in pvp is that you can fire infinitely inside your bubble without it taking rounds. And rounds fired ricochet off inside of the bubble.... Having the perk apply differently in pvp vs pve means you can make exotics feel exotic and powerful in pve without breaking your pvp, I think it's time that idea was implemented for the good of the future of this game, we can't just keep making old exotics irrelevant just because Bungie decides they were op.
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Pull ammo from the reserves instead of the mag when front lines perk is activated.. That way crowd control can be more effective as well... Immobius should have better handling and ammo reserves... Make it so it gives you increased armor for a few seconds after every kill on top of its exclusive perk
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30 RepliesSomething on Titans needs to be underpowered and Fabian is fine I use it alot
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Bump. Bungie, how could you seriously think that anyone would want to use these? What the hell?
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They need to unnerf the Fabian.
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The only probleem with fabian is that the distance boundaries at which you can use it are ridiculously specific, just out of shotgun range but close enough for the enhanced rof to still apply. Boost the distance slightly on when the enhanced rof kicks in and you have a good gun.
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Increased armor when aiming down sights and armor buff after double kill would be better.
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Edited by The Loathsome Dung Eater: 8/27/2016 5:50:02 PMThey are both the worst class weapons and it isn't even close. Literally no reason to use the Fabian Strategy ever in its current form. Sure you can kill stuff with it, but you are just making it harder on yourself. That shotgun.....man. Talk about being specific. Be a certain subclass, have a certain perk on, kill people in a certain area (and an area that anyone, human or AI would be dumb to walk into) and what do you get? Doesn't expend ammo. Yay. Maybe you will get an extra shot or two tops. Not to mention that it's archetype is terrible for shotguns too. I feel for my Titan brothers. Tlaloc is amazing, AoS is solid all around, and Stillpiercer does everything a high impact sniper does. Titan class items do nothing well. Some thoughts I had to improve Fabian would be. Any, all, or a combination: -Add counterbalance as an intrinsic perk -Increase range where front lines activates. As it is now, it procs when you are just about in OHK shotgun range -Pull ammo from reserves when front lines activates. No real point to this perk if it activates with under 20 shots in mag. Or just increase mag size in general -Keep impact the same when front lines activates but rate of fire goes up to max
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I love Fabian quite a bit but it needs a bit more ommph . Immobius I have and don't really use . Titan got shafted on the class exotics.
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I think Immobious should get Fabian strategies perk in all honesty. It would work better with a shotgun anyways, just don't decrease it's impact AT ALL. Fabian strategy should have something to do with just keeping you alive. Like damaging an enemy returns 1/3 of the damage dealt to health for the wielder. Remove life-support, replace it with army of one/grenadier. Crowd control can stay.
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15 RepliesStop complaining everyone like you has gotten use to playing with scout rifles an pulse rifles you haven't used auto rifles on awhile not realizing Fabian is an auto rifle one of the auto rifle class that got nerfed into the ground for impact an damage output. As for the shotguns well you see where I'm going with this you got so use to playing with snipers that you haven't played with shotguns or the immobus to kno its full potential. For me all of you that complain about these guns haven't played enough with them to realize there good guns an are usable to a great degree with effectiveness I use them all the time. The Fabian the only thing it needs is more impact an damage output but the shotgun doesn't need anything its fine where its at.
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1 ReplyOf all the shotguns I've taken to the face in PvP, not once has it been Immobius. The perk is terrible. Since I can't stand shotguns (or there are far better ones out there), and i rarely use Defender, its pointless even having it. No other legendary class specific item is tied to one subclass except Immobius so unless you're Defender, again its useless. I like Fabian Strategy, don't get me wrong. But compared to other weapons, its sorely lacking and just isn't worth taking up an exotic slot with. Hell, I can use any number of legendary rifles that give the same result. Its "meh". When compared to other class specifics, they're in need of some love. Both are okay when they're supposed to be great (I use my Ace of Spades a ton on my Hunter), so certainly agree with this. In PvP, no one uses either. In PvE, very few people use them. That should tell you a lot.
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They are the poorest of the class specific weapons I will give you that.
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1 ReplyFabian strategy is built backwards. Fabian was a general known for avoiding close conflict and pitched battle unless he knew he had an advantage and could win. The gun should reward players for keeping distance, perhaps with a far larger magazine (60-80 rounds) to use the extra damage from med rof. The gun would become a useful DoP type close in and a light machine gun at range. This is not more broken than tlaloc or Y1 field scout autos... and those were not nearly as bad as other things. My two cents.
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5 RepliesEdited by Lazercake: 8/27/2016 11:50:38 AMI disagree with providing yet another way for Titans to save ammo. You have shoulder charge, which is essentially a saved shotgun round. You can charge a player into oblivion with a full ammo clip. Do it again...hell, add another shoulder charge for good measure. Then you can pop off a few party Crasher rounds. Then a shoulder charge. Before long you have some roller blading Titan with double digit close quarter kills before his shotgun ammo is even expended. Titans don't deserve another path by which their roller blading asses get another ammo break.
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Warlock yes Hunter no for the special weapon. The hunters sniper works with nightstalker. I agree though they should be a weapon that works with all subclasses. They should be a weapon you want to use. Both the primary and special on all classes I think are trash. Plenty of better weapons to use before those.
