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originally posted in: SIVA Was made by Clovis Bray
8/22/2016 8:38:19 PM
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It seemed Clovis was studying the narrator. This narrator being his "son". But what if the son was an exo, maybe the first with consciousness. Or some other creation. Obviously the cold dorms he described were for the exo. Maybe not but I don't think these prove or disprove that SIVA was created by Clovis himself. Only that he may have played a role in their creation. Maybe the exo felt like children to him and created SIVA to fulfill his goal of expansion into the universe
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  • It's not something I necessarily believe, but I've seen ideas put forward before that Cayde may actually be Clovis Bray II, purely based on that card and the way Cayde acts and behaves. I've not really looked into it enough to say it's correct, or it's nuts.

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  • Not alone then. It would be cool if that were the case just for the sake of tower characters becoming more developed. Which, if I'm not mistaken was one of bungie goals. Thanks for mentioning that.

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  • There is some support for it. We know Cayde had debts. He also had debts with Clovis Bray. Now turning Cayde into an Exo must have cost Bray, but if it was his son - who was a little wayward and kept getting into trouble, where death was a real chance... In the Exo race card, one of the Exo's believes that's what they were created for, because someone wanted to live forever. Maybe CB did, or he wanted his son to do so.

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  • Perhaps expos having the conscious was always the goal and it was disease that plagued Bray and the cb2 literally is like a memory while and he's Bray clone but that doesn't explain that they have different interests in maps unless he was lying to his son intentionally about his like for them to teach a lesson. I think it's too much coincidence that he's the second and not named something else. It has to be significant to the fact that exos are renumbered each wipe

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  • Edited by KllerJ: 8/23/2016 2:29:01 AM
    Cayde6: " eris get your rock off my map" Confirmed cayde is Clovis brays son

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  • I'm missing something haha

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  • They both talk about maps

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  • Haha oh yeah duh. Sorry I was so caught up in them being the same person I was looking for how that mattered about Eris. Good point though. What source is that from?

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  • It's a line from one of the story missions

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