I main a Warlock, but recently have been playing nothing but Hunter and Titan. And I've gotta say, hunter is literally the easiest class to run. Your grenades are almost all ridiculous, 2/3 of your melees are throwables, so you can essentially have three grenades, or one grenade and two throwing knives. Your movment options if used right are almost always unpredictable, especially if you use bones of eao with controlled jump. What do we Warlocks and Titans do? We float and pretty much only move in one direction. Whereas Hunters can jump left then right, forward then back ect ect. Having two grenades as a Night stalker is a bit ridiculous also, that's like giving a Titan a suppression grenade and a lighting grenade, or giving a warlock an Axion bolt and a Firebolt. It's stupid all the options you hunter players have, yet you still bitch about two other classes that basically on a neutral game level aren't even as good as a Hunter.

I have a Titan so I know what I'm saying when I say sunbreaker are just a little OP in Crucible.

Why don't people realize that SC has a cooldown, it takes longer to activate after every use until you go 10 seconds without using it. Go and test is out if you dont beleive me, after your first SC it takes an additional second of sprinting to activate. After your second it takes 3 seconds of extra sprint time, after your third consecutive SC it takes 10 seconds before it becomes availabe to use again. Just because there isn't a bar on the side of your screen telling you you can't SC doesn't mean it doesn't have a cooldown.

Honestly with my vast experience on hunters I can say that throwing knives and the gunslinger class in general should be nerfed.

Strikers have gone untouched for a long time. They have been getting BUFFS, while other subclasses have been getting cut down. There was nothing wrong with Sunsingers...but hey, scrub community gonna cry till bungo holds their hand.

Shoulder charge needs less aim assist. Thunderstrike with Amplitude needs damage falloff. Warlock melee in general needs less aim assist. All arc grenades besides Lightning and Skip need buffs. Throwing Knives need their damage back. Sunbreakers need to be able to throw hammers faster. Shadowshot needs a faster activation time. Viking Funeral needs a buff to 12.5% per stack. Lightning grenades need damage falloff. Bladedancers need a buff to their speed during super.

Shoulder charge should use up your melee charge there easy plus the only reason striker titans are considered op is because every other class has been nerfed to shit

The Striker subclass needs to be toned a bit. First off, the lightning grenade. Unlike most grenades, this thing can kill you when you think you're at a safe distance. They really do need to fix the visual display of the lightning on the grenade so we know if we're at a safe distance enough. Secondly, the radius of the lightning grenade. The radius is literally big enough to kill you with the second pulse (if the initial pulse hit you) before you can escape. That or they could increase the time it takes for the next pulse to activate. That I think could be an alternative way of toning down the lightning grenade. Next is the shoulder charge. As of now, I think it has way too much auto aim. For those of you who say that a player has just shifted to the side a bit and you missed that shoulder charge, stop lying. I've seen titans shoot 90 DEGREES UPWARDS INTO A GUARDIAN TRYING TO JUMP OUT OF THE WAY!!! Hell they've even 180'd me when they've clearly ran past me. Even my friends have done it and have admitted the absurd amount of auto aim shoulder charge has. It probably has as much as a sword. Like I know it's frustrating to miss but it's a one hit kill. You shouldn't be able to never miss. And don't say to use my gun and shoot the bastard before they reach me. With Titan skate, they can reach you before you even get enough shots on them. And when they round the corner, you're dead because they don't need to turn to look at you. Auto aim has them covered and they can do a full 90 degree turn into someone's face instantly with the press of a button.

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY BUMP!

Titans and warlocks complain all the time!!!!

For the titans Shoulder charge should require a melee charge. Lightning grenade needs less range and a narrowed cone of effect. Titan cannot be the most heavily armored and the fastest at the same time. There has to be a time lag between when an ability is activated so grenades and melee abilities cannot be cast at the same time. I think these are fair changes. Yes i main a Warlock but I've played as a Titan and a Hunter and I've felt how unbalanced these particular abilities are. I felt the same about viking funeral. These changes are warranted just like it was for firebolts. Deal with it. Edit: I have been informed that there are no i-frames on shadestep, but it does disengage tracking. That was my mistake.

Mained a Titan since Beta day one. Shoulder charge should require a full melee charge. Edit: People trying to rationalise it in these replies saying it isn't a melee or hunters get throwing knives etc etc. Throwing knives aren't a 1 hit kill and DO require a full melee charge, shoulder charge is a 1 hit kill and doesn't. Just because it isn't in the melee ability skill tree doesn't mean it's not a melee. As for the people who say "it's not op you don't use it that often" if that's really the case why would you be so opposed to it having a reasonable cooldown to stop it from being exploited. The only other way to make it less OP is to make it not a 1HK.

Your telling me to use my gun against shoulder charge? Trust me, I've tried, but when literally you see him coming you start shooting, but since Titan are op or something like that they can just skate on in and press Melee, it requires [b]little[/b]skill since it has some hard ass aim assist and can 360 no scope and and can fly up verticality if you try jumping away, half the time I barely make it out alive when using the last word, and that's apparently a counter? It's only a counter if it works consistently. Striker Titans have, Skating The best grenade (lighting) A panic super which in some cases make them unkillable and an overall cheap move The second best Melee (cuz thunderstrike is op or whatever) Shoulder charge or juggernaut It is quite literally the best subclass in the game, now that nightstalker doesn't have double shadestep and gets no buffs while in a slow ass super animation which they can be easily killed in (warlock main by the way) and that Sunsingers were just demolished with their "op" grenade which requires two perks to even be worthwhile, and ruining the burn on them which is the soup essence of their subclass, but striker is and has been still up there in taken King (Hunter dominance in year one) so I think it's fair to say their are "op" Doesn't drop mic because mics are expensive EDIT: ranting on phone is hard when auto correct is sliding in your dms

I know I have a Gun, but shoulder chargers are harder to kill, and if I have a shotgun, the only time I can one shot them is if They are like 3 feet from me, and by then they are already tea bagging me

Ok, clearly you`re THE PVP PLAYER that gets it all...i think your main is titan, so suck balls and let`s go check those facts of yours: *clears throat* Lightning grenades and knifes (though it think it`s nerf wasn`t needed at all) are ok, so moving on "Aim assist on snipers..." - i think it`s you who don`t undestand that aim assit pulls not only crosshair to the target, but also the bullets itself (though there are no bullets as most kinetic weapons are hit-scan) and getting headshot because some asshole was with hidden hand and LDR or LONGBOW or 1000YS had a crosshair [u]NEAR [/u] your head is stupid. "Shot guns take no skill!" Well I guess if you had any you wouldn't die!!! - my favorite...shitguns doesn`t need skill as a majority of primaries don`t kill fast enough and because of lags (which made crucible a playground for morons with ADSL a paradise) that "HIGHLY SKILLED MLG" player still pulls a kill with shotty. All other special demand using with some skill (snipers - one can hardscope but still don`t malk a kill, fusion demands target aqusition and shoting at a right moment) but shottys, just take titan with UR and jaggernaut and your ROOM (RUN OUT OF MEDALS) or unbroken is just right the corner. EVERY SHOTTY WARIOR claims it takes skill...yep run toward, hoping that primary doesn`t kill pull the trigger, melee (skillcaller`s melee is just fine 8 meters away fine) and run till you are shot in the ass. Let me stand and appalud. "Shoulder charge is OP" There is a man running towards you... - yep a man that sometimes you can otugun and still geting killed, or you try to evade and still getting killed. totalyy fime like skillcaller`s melee. Aim assist need a bost and blink ability... Dude grow some balls and try to play as bladedancer vs. titans and warlocks f.e. so you can have a little glimpse as everything about titanstriker is just fine and all newbs who died by yuor mighty shoulder are just crybabies. And again suck hairy balls and ptss...come here...come closer, i`ll tell yout main truth why strikes are now dominating class in PVP - IT`S BECAUSE HE`S THE ONLY CLASS THAT HAD NEVER BEEN NERFED. *drops mic*

Shoulder charge- primary times to kill are way to slow to effectively counter these. So it's special or nothing and I hate shotguns. Snipers- way too easy to use effectively. Plus, they need sway and breathing as well as more flinch when being shot. It just makes common sense when compared to other specials and weapons. Shotguns- should never be a one hit kill unless it's a headshot. This would make use of up close and or personal perk and would make higher fire rate shotguns shine due to needing a second shot(or melee) to make the kill. Again, common sense considering we are guardians with over shields. Grenades- no complaints. They all work somewhat well and make you work for a kill. Btw, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are obviously biased and don't want anything changed, so stop trying to say nobody has their facts straight.