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Put it like this, if Earth is a flat disk why has no one ever sailed/fell off the edge? Also, why would Earth be the only planet out of 8 to be flat instead of round?
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  • [quote]Put it like this, if Earth is a flat disk why has no one ever sailed/fell off the edge? Also, why would Earth be the only planet out of 8 to be flat instead of round?[/quote] If someone sailed off the edge.... how could they survive to tell anyone? Noob.

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  • Modern ships have had GPS for a good while now bro. Pretty sure any developed nation would notice if one of their ships sailed off the edge of the earth.

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  • My friend, it's not even worth it to argue with this guy anymore. Many have tried, all have failed. His lunacy is too deeply imbedded

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  • All the more reason to believe that he's right.

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  • An idiot will effectively argue his own idiocy until the end of time without acknowledging the flaws in his own logic. Arguing with some a person is impossible. This does not, however, lend any credence to that person's argument

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  • But we're the ones who also argue we are right presenting our reason. When he present his reason we shut him down.

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  • His reasons have no scientific backing whatsoever. Any scientific thought offered that outright proves him wrong, he says "science is false". With no examples or reason for why he believes this. He also completely ignored the facts: Every planet in our solar system is spherical Different weights on different planets (change in gravitation) The moon orbits the earth (can only be a result of gravitational pull) These are just a few. I've tried several times to see his side of the argument but the "I'm right you're wrong because I say so" tone that he takes makes it impossible. He offers nothing that backs up his points.

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  • I'm sorry if I come off as "I'm right because I say so". To me, this is how scientific arguments come off. I try to argue with you guys outside that framework, and I am labeled as impossible. I observe simple facts, like jumping, and I dont see how science overrides that. I step away from science and argue using the observable as my basis of evidence. You mentioned a few things: [quote]Every planet in our solar system is spherical[/quote] Every body which we can see. But we have never seen the earth. Saying that every other planet is spherical, therefore earth must be, is like saying that every crow must be black, because thats what we observe. But white crows do exists. The are rare, but they exist. Earth is rare. [quote]Different weights on different planets (change in gravitation)[/quote] You will probably say I'm being impossible, but we have never been to another planet to confirm this. We have purportedly been to the moon, but I question that as well. [quote]The moon orbits the earth (can only be a result of gravitational pull)[/quote] I dont understand why gravity is the only possible explanation. Other forces like the universal accelerator could explain this as well.

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  • How does jumping disprove gravity? I'm honestly asking because there are simple calculations for overcoming gravity as the force is not so great that you cannot overcome it. Just like the force of friction can be overcome when enough force is applied. My biggest problem with your argument comes in constant denial of anything that NASA (and countless other space agencies have done). We've sent robots to Mars (they're there now). We've seen earth from space. The number of astronauts from countless countries that have been into space and seen earth--is a lot. I don't believe they're all part of some giant cover up. The idea of the universal accelerator is harder to prove than gravity. We have no measurable force for the amount of acceleration it provides. Barring that, let's say gravity doesn't exist, how does the universal accelerator keep the moon in earths orbit? Or all the other planets in our solar system in orbit of the sun? Also, please explain black holes. They do exist. They're not theoretical and they have been observed

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  • The ground should rotate beneath me when I jump, if the earth is spinning. While this does not specifically disprove gravity, it calls into question what we think about the earth. One of my biggest problems with gravity is that it still hasn't been explained. It merely describes a phenomenon. Why does mass bend space time and produce the effects we see? No one really knows. In light of something unexplained like gravity, and the fact of jumping, the Universal Accelerator makes the most sense to me. I can understand why doubting space travel is hard to believe. It is all very convincing. But I think a cover up is possible. It could be pulled off with minimal people even aware of the ruse. The motivation, to me, is simple: ever since the space race world powers are invested in the lie. Imagine the faith people would loose in their government if Russia, China, or the US were exposed. People believe space exploration is legitimate, and they have no issue with the government investing their tax dollars in it. When you think about it that way, the lie becomes a very profitable one. The universal accelerator moves upward through space at the constant rate of 9.8m/sec. According to Flat Earth models, the sun, moon, anti moon, and stars are all smaller and much closer to earth's surface. If the universal accelerator is due to the cosmic winds, it is very possible that the force is acting upon the heavenly bodies. Surface area is a big factor. I am open to the idea that some kind of pull could exist between bodies, like the sun and moon orbiting above the earth. But I think that attraction is most likely magnetic in nature. I dont doubt that we have observed black holes. I do doubt that they are what science theorizes them to be. Again, sorry if this view comes of as stubborn or impossible, but its what I think.

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  • I understand it's what you think. But you also have to realize the giant coverup that would have to be in place. It would not only involve countries that are enemies working together to perpetrate the ruse, but would also involve a lot more people than you realize. As to the jumping, if you're in the back of a large truck that's moving down the highway and you jump straight up, do you end up further back in the truck than you were to start? You don't because of the momentum created by the truck moving forward. This causes your body to move with it. The earth spins at a constant speed and carries you with it. Transferring the momentum to you. If you jump you move with the spin of the earth (the slight bit that it would be). It's also very hard to explain season without rotation of the earth. As we can observe seasons I would say this stands as a criteria that would meet with your approval. Gravity may be a phenomenon but it can (and has) been measured. We know the downward force of earths gravity on us as we stand at sea level. We know that it's less on the moon (this can be calculated with mass and does not require having to travel there). I will give you that it would be profitable to cover up space exploration but the sheer magnitude of such a cover up would be so vast that keeping it a secret would be impossible. And yes, I know there are websites that claim to have "proof" of such a cover up. But you'll find those same websites purporting to have proof of school shootings and other massacres being complete hoaxes and saying that no one actually died. I understand your skepticism and it really is a good thing to question the world around you. But some things have far too much basis in actual fact. Obviously I could come off as some kind of going with the norm shill but I have to say that the evidence is there. The evidence to the contrary--not so much

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  • And you expect me to be serious, why?

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