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No no no no no no no no no. Elemental primaries undermine any other kind of gun without it no matter exotic or legandary in pve Listen, elemental damage raid primaries are fine in the past as a stepping stone to a more diverse and varied pve expirence. In year one using a legandary in pve without a elemental type on it is comparable to using a blue or green now. Also there are pve balancing issues enemies shield are irrelevant and burns make things broken. I would even like it if bungie took arc damage off of zhalo
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  • its PvE its not hard at all already why not let people play how they want instead of forcing them to use the current meta of "my gun fires faster"

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  • Then god rolls need to go then

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  • There couldn't be more wrong. Year 1 I had primaires with burn, however I used my Devil you Know and Cryptic Dragon more than any other primary because they were good. And you cannot compare Year 1 guns too Year 2 guns because Year 2 guns are complete garbage compared to Year 1 guns.

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  • So why not give every weapon the capability to be elemental

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  • That would be better then just having a select few primary weapons with elemental type. This only issue i see with it is the pve balance, primaries with elemental types undermine special and heavy weapons. For example, if a captian shield is arc and takes X amount of shots with a regular gun to break, with the arc damage on you weapon it will take less shots and overall speed up the time and make things easier to do in pve. Then the comunity gets board with easy content or just overall complaints that bungie pve is way too easy to fight though. A lot of people that would say that would not consider that the game would be the difficulty intended if they didnt vision of confluence everything. Then bungie will buff enemy shields or make pve harder then it needed to be. Making it at the level of the elemental primaries level. Power creep works in pve as well.

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  • Yes exactly I really don't understand the need for people to bitch about pve being to easy

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  • Pve being too easy or too hard hurts any game. Would anyone truely care about the dark souls series if you could run through it as kratos from god of war. Its not that im saying the game need to be really hard, im saying that there is a sweet spot that need to designed for and you design based off of what the player can do and adding in elemental damage primaries throws pve balance out of whack or limits weapon devirsity because weather a select few primaries have it or all primaries can have it, your still gonna be undercutting special and heavy's.

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  • Thy should buff them accordingly not just one.

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  • I tend to agree with your statement about using non-elemental a in yr1 is equivalent to using blues now to a degree. I think a major issue there is that they were simply the best guns you could have. There were no kinetic weapons that equaled them, at least from what I remember. But I disagree with taking them out being a good idea. Mostly because Bungie has said that they want us to play how we want to play, but then they take out the guns that I enjoyed the most, not only using but striving to get from the raids. Granted there is more weapon variation now, at least with challenge of elders giving me options other than the raid weapons. Idk I think that if they had more kinetic, non-burn weapons that rivaled the burn weapons (with perks or stats or whatnot) it wouldn't be as restrictive as year 1 if they brought back elementals.

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  • There's always a place for fun weapons. This is supposed to be fun although Destiny often isn't. Still love it though. Just recently started over completely on ps4

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  • The exclusive perks of Hawkmoon, Suros, Red Death, and other Y1 exotic primaries made them useful even without an element. You are wrong. Grim Citizen, TDYK, Gheleon's Demise, and more were Y1 legendary primaries that I enjoyed using. This whole "weapon variety" thing is a PR excuse from Bungie that some fans have mistaken for a legitimate concern.

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  • Edited by Shifting Shape: 8/11/2016 2:09:41 PM
    My subjective opinion=wrong Your subjective opinion=right Lol And bungie pr stunt must have nothing to do with balancing the pve encounters based off most damage possible and least danage. Offcourse elemental primaries arnt taken into consideration. Your a little bit of a ridiculous person, i understand what your saying but your not seeing the big picture, and just flat out saying that im wrong like you did makes you extreamly imature. If you want to seriously exchange ideas then cool tho

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  • Okay, lets try this again... These are my thoughts, all of which I can rationalize with evidence or historic proof to support the assertion. Which of these do you disagree with: #1: year one had more variety in usable primaries for PvE and PvP than the current game does #2: year two primary perks are diluted swill by comparison to year one perks #3: bungie's persistent rebalancing is actually strategic nerfing of favorite weapons, gear perks, subclass abilities, and strategies to extend the grind of the game and inflate playtimes (even at the expense of player enjoyment) #4: bungie lied about their reason for eliminating elemental primaries from the raid and trials. They've been proven liars of convenience more than once before.

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  • Well i have thoughts on numbers 2-3 but where is your proof for your comments number 1 and 4. Please provide a link

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  • Number one can easily be determined between you and I. I will list the useful year one primaries and you will list the year two primaries that were useful. We can then compare the lists. Bungo lying... You need proof? You must be new: 1. They said Xur's inventory was random. They were proven liars by megamanexe on reddit, who successfully predicted the future Xur inventory for 6 weeks in a row. 2. They claimed they couldnt change Xurs inventory on the fly. But then, at the end of the house of wolves era, they changed it to allow everyone who never had a gjallarhorn to buy one. Need I say more? No Element Y1 Good Primaries Suros Regime Hawkmoon Thorne The Last Word Red Death Bad Juju MIDA Multi-tool The Devil You Know The Devil You Don't Spare Change Shadow Price Grim Citizen Vanquisher VIII Hopscotch Pilgrim Gheleon's Demise Timur's Lash Similar's Wrath A.1F19X Elemental Y1 Good Primaries Fatebringer Vision of Confluence Vex Mythoclast Praedyths Timepiece Word of Crota Fang of Ir Yut The Messenger The Scholar

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  • Edited by Bigsmoove357: 8/11/2016 6:30:39 PM
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  • Respons?

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  • He's right.

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  • Why do u even care what others use....especially in PvE...stupid argument....

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  • Says the guy using only scout rifles.

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  • so what if he's only using scout rifles.

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  • So the guns you have on your toons right now are the only ones you use?

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    https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/210750577/0/0 Rise of Iron

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  • Edited by Gideon VI: 8/10/2016 2:44:47 AM
    Let people use whatever gear they want and play however they want. Nobody cares about your other shitty guns.

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  • All guns should have burn (not just raid) or else no raid burns

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