No thanks. All variety in primaries will be gone then. Also this game already is so easy. Please dont
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Such a weak argument. You are arguing about the decision making of others. If YOU don't want to use elemental primaries then don't. Guess what? I've got a firefly imago loop and firefly treads and I pretty much use those 90% of my pve time. People get comfortable with a weapon they're going to use it so variety is always going to be low.
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Edited by GalaxySpider: 8/9/2016 1:30:32 PMIt's not that of a weak argument actually. If I can do more damage/be more effective with an elemental primary, what's the point of using any other primary then in PvE?? Why should I make things more complicated than they are? Using anything different would be illogical. Easy solution: turn all primaries into elemental guns! No. Because, what's the point of enemies having shields then? The game was way to easy and the designers obviously wanted it a bit more challenging. And they had no other alternative I guess. Year 1's meta in terms of primary weapon elemental designs in play with the enemies we fight was flawed in my eyes...and I can fully understand Bungies decision here. What we have now is a direction in which the game forces you to think (maybe twice) about what to bring into a fight since you can only have 2 elements at a time (not counting your subclass). And Destiny only has 3. So yes it actually brings diversity because people don't feel that they have to use a certain primary weapon in their primary slot. Sure, no one forced you to use them but again, it's a human thing to think in the other direction. It's something you "can't take out" from players heads or even the game itself, you know. We all adapted to these changes and tbh it was for the good of the game and the steady challenge it wants to provide with certain activities. In a loot-FPS with tons of weapons I see no reason why a specific loadout/gun should be the answer to all questions.
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Thats indeed the long version of my point. Thanks for taking the time to make it clear for others
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No it doesn't. As the number of people clearly suggest we are still using the same few guns but without burns.
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I think the point he's trying to make is that you would never have even thought to use the primary you use now if elemental primaries still existed. When fate bringer and voc were viable you didn't even give any other primary a chance simply because they had no burn. There were many year one primaries with better stats than the raid weapons but many people over looked them because of one thing no element. If you think not answer me this question would you use a treads upon a stars over Voc if they had the similar rolls? Prolly not because the treads doesn't have solar burn. Would you use an imago loop over a fate bringer when both are rolled the exact same? No because imago has no burn. Would you even consider the god rolled hung if Voc was still viable? Yes while everyone has a go to primary right now it's not all the same primary. I'll see someone running hung jury, I'll see someone running Byronic hero, another running hawksaw, there's more variety across the board. Unlike year one when I can go through my friends list predict there load out and 90% of the time I would be correct. The only real way to fix the elemental primary issue is to add an item that will put a burn on a primary.
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Yeah but the argument is that elemental primaries are making the rest of the armory trivial. OK fine I'll play ball with that but now without the possibility of getting those in the raid they've in turn made what was supposed to be the biggest end game activity trivial. Raid weapons suck now. And by being able to get max light without a raid just who cares. I used to run vog all the time trying to collect them all and now its like who needs kings fall.
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Well being able to get max light with out raiding or running trials was just recently implemented before April the raid wasn't trivial because it was the one place you were assure to get max light level gear. Now yes the raid is slightly less relevant so having somthing to go after like weapons would be nice but like I said all that would do is make every other primary that doesn't have a burn irrelevant. Adding somthing like an elemental core would solve the issue but having only one specific primary brings back the problem we had previously
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I've been using hung jury since the day TTK was released. At least I would switch between VOC and fatebringer, during year one.
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There are always people who use what they think is best and use it all the time. What I want is that certain weapons are not always a better option like in year one.
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Its know ones fault but your own that you CHOOSE to use only one weapon. Me personally, i enjoy using different primaries as thats what they are there for.
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I've used plenty of other primaries they just feel underwhelming. Same as before.
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Edited by Snow: 8/9/2016 12:37:59 PMProof? Don't use Fatebringer or VoC as an example. Those were used because they were awesome stat and perk-wise. How many people did you see using Fang of Ir Yut?
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I actually used fang 90% of the time. Fang, black hammer, gjally
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Edited by Snow: 8/9/2016 5:49:13 PMRight, but of course there are always exceptions. But the point remains, take VoG for instance; what were the two main weapons? VoC and Fatebringer. Sure, people used Timepiece and Epilogue, but that number is small compared to those two. Same with Crota's End, people used WoC and FoIY more than others. Don't even get me started on PoE elemental primaries. All of those with elemental burns and only a few were widely used. It's not the burn that attracts people to the weapons, it's the weapon itself with the right stats and perks. And regardless if every single person used it, it's a PvE end game reward, why shouldn't it be strong for PvE?
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Sorry but thats just bs. People used them because of the elemental burn. Statswise they werent that special. Perks are good indeed. But loadouts are chosen for each situation, I had every possible weapon with every possible burn in year one and these weapons were better for every pve fight than a non elemental one.
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Edited by Snow: 8/9/2016 5:58:55 PM[quote]I had every possible weapon with every possible burn in year one and these weapons were better for every pve fight than a non elemental one.[/quote] So you just destroyed your own argument. You weren't forced to use one weapon. And again, of course they were better. They're end game PvE rewards.
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No. Its still a subset of a Very large pool of weapons. Non elemental weapons are just inferior and that shouldnt be
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Yes, sure they're inferior. Look at all the people using Timepiece. Because it's the Arc Burn that makes it superior, right?
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Fatebringer>timepiece in pve so timepiece is not used. Auto rifles and pulse rifles have always been outmatched by scout rifles and hand cannons.
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And you're saying it has absolutely nothing to do with the perks?
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Perks always play a role in how good a weapon is. Elemental burns just make them even better. All scout rifles can have the same perks but not all have elemental burns. That makes non elemental primaries inferior. I dont want that. Next to the fact that the game is already easy so adding elemental weapons again makes it even easier. So I rather not have elemental primaries in the dlc
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Edited by Snow: 8/9/2016 11:19:55 PMAgain, that's just simply not the case. Take PoE. Nobody used the elemental weapons from it. I'll give you a hint as to why; [spoiler]Shank Burn[/spoiler] Again, perks always determine the popular weapon. You can't really ruin diversity when everything is RNG. As for the game being too easy, yes. It is, I agree. However, nobody is forcing you to use the weapons. Now if you take KF raid; "must have ToM or BS, etc". The game will always have a popular load out, no matter what. Even all of this aside, why not a material to give any legendary a burn? That way you can continue using whatever you like without feeling handicapped.
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Edited by PinO iZ SiK: 8/9/2016 11:33:51 PMI can agree on the last part. I rather not have elemental burns but that would be the best solution if they were included. Poe weapons were not that good. We already had better weapons(vog, trials and crota) with burns so they were not used. If we wouldn't than they would be used, pretty sure about that. Popular loadouts is inevitable and not a problem imo. Its just that the game should give you lots of viable option for encounters. Elemental burns reduce that imo. Just like gjally did in year one. It was better than truth even in weeks with void burn in the nf. So I was glad it got nerfed and other weapons were viable again although gjally still ruled
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I saw quite a few people using the fang actually. And if fate bringer and VoC didn't have those perks they would use other elementals exclusive. I.e. the fang would replace the fate bringer and that would be the only thing people would use
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I guess I was an outlier