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Something to make hard mode worth it. Because we all know hard mode on KF did not have a purpose other than to get to a higher light (that was not needed)
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  • A higher light was needed to participate in other activities like nightfall and since they increased the light on both hard and normal mode it was needed.... That was the whole purpose. And the weapons themselves changed appearance wise, didn't change anything within themselves but they changed. That still doesn't explain why elemental primaries are an absolute must have. Basically your argument is this : Well I always make a left at this corner and get to work 5 seconds faster with a shorter commute, but they closed that road so now I have to take a right and I lose 5 seconds. 5 seconds... If that is all it takes to kill enemies without elemental primaries. That's what I don't understand you've had a year AN ENTIRE YEAR to develop new strategies to work around modifiers like "match game" "unflinching" "heroic" and (whatever that one is that makes more shielded enemies spawn) And you guys still need your elemental primaries to kill these guys?!?! That's just sad honestly.

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  • Edited by IceIllex: 8/9/2016 10:59:14 AM
    We never said we "need" them. We want them. 1: you didn't need to do hard mode to make the nightfall easier. You could get to 310 from just doing normal and the Nightfall was at light level 290. Then it was changed to 310 in the april update when the light was increased. Either way, no need for hard mode other than bragging rights. As for elemental primaries, if you are so sure that they barely make a difference, then why not have them added back in? If they don't make much of a difference, why not have them as a fun reward to collect and have that slight edge (small difference) for those random activities that they can be good in like the nightfall with elemental burns or match game? They aren't a huge deal, but as a reward and to help us feel more powerful during burns, elemental primaries were great

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  • You're argument just collapsed on itself elemental primaries for fun? Or for "bragging rights" ? They serve no purpose and the fact that the raid weapons and gear were only for infusion material it was bungies whole idea to not have players walk around all dressed alike with the same load out. You're telling me that if the current raid weapons had elemental burns you'd use them? We're not talking about ROI were talking right here and now you'd use those raid weapons EVERYDAY like they were used in year one because of simple burn element?

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  • Yeah, i would probably. And dude, elemental primaries WERE fun.. You dont know how amazing it felt to have arc burn and small arms active and watch everything with a red health bar get -blam!-ing ANNIHILATED by fatebringer. It was a sight to behold. One of beauty and glory. Watching firefly proc on one thrall amongst a bunch, and watching them ALLLL die. B e a u t i f u l. Beautiful.

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  • Wait wait wait. I don't know how it felt? Lol you think I'm new??

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  • New or self centered. Pick one. While everyone wants a mechanic reintroduced into this game because it was fun, you veto it. It literally could easily have NO effect on you and your gameplay (just dont use elemental weapons, tah daahh), but youd rather everyone play YOUR way without burns, than they play their way alongside you. So pick one, new or self centered.

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  • Again now I understand this is hard for some people like you to understand. Nobody, maybe 20% if that and the ones who do only use it as place holders for gear transfers. Use the current raid weapons AT ALL. You pick one Set in your ways or ignorant Because again it was stated BY ME in earlier replies IM NOT TALKING ABOUT OLD RAID WEAPONS WITH BURNS I'm referring to the CURRENT KINGS FALL raid weapons that NOBODY uses Now they did however use the pulse rifle for a time then stopped because, would you look at that there are better weapons than the raid ones. Hmm interesting. Hell they even have weapons you can get from literally trying out new weapons HOW CONVENIENT IS THAT?!?! But you seem to live in the past and not look forward to the future of this game. "This era I liked it was easier there was load outs every one used all the time no changes except a few special weapons or heavy my primaries stayed the same. Hear that word? Same Same Same Same Same Same Same Same Same load outs same attributes same armor recovery agility stats. God forbid anyone CHANGES ANYTHING AROUND HERE. Oh and one last thing you're complaining that the lack of elemental burns has created an effect on this game but yet, you didn't die from it. The simplicity of my original rebuttal was just, but you just had to add your two cents didn't you? Now if you wish to politic about my original question by all means but don't jump in throwing insults left and right without even knowing what grounds I stand on then YOU look self centered. We've been playing with guns like this for a year, just like with elemental primaries, FOR A YEAR things change they improve for the better. It's as simple as that, now again if the current kings fall raid weapons had elemental burns at this point in the game WOULD YOU USE THEM AS MUCH AS YOU DID FATEBRINGER ???

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  • Edited by TartarosSauce: 8/9/2016 12:47:48 PM
    Ummm, dude. I always use my smite of merain and quillims terminus. Sometimes even the doom of Chelcis. So yes. I use the raid weapons. And that thing about same loadout. My loadout is still very consistent, if not more so now without elements. At least with elements, i changed my primaries for what burn their was. Now that there isnt any burn, i just run doom, spindle, and quillims. Unless its void burn. Then its doom, telesto, quillims. Woooaaahhh. So much change without primary elements. [spoiler][i]sarcasm[/i][/spoiler] And to address wether or not id use them as much as fatebringer, the answer is most certainly yes. I would love my smite to have an element. I already use it as much as i used fatebringer or VoC. If it had an element, it would be even more awesome to me. Edit: changed doom to smite at the end. Meant to say "would love my smite to have an element"

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  • Funny thing is only one of your characters have that primary and the other two are the only ones who have that heavy. So obviously your load out has changed much more than you [i]sarcastically[/i] let on earlier.

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  • Actually, all three of them have smite, spindle, and quillims. Just cause you dont see them equipped, doesnt mean they arent there. And i read you my raid loadout. My bad, should have clarified. Cause that where it matters. Elements have no effect in pvp, as you are most certainly aware.

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  • Actually, all three of them have smite, spindle, and quillims. Just cause you dont see them equipped, doesnt mean they arent there. And i read you my raid loadout. Cause that is where it matters. Elements have no effect in pvp, as you are most certainly aware. So yeah, in pvp, i switch things around

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  • A lot of people have been using the same loadouts in the raid and crucible, so taking away elemental primaries really didn't change that much as far as diversity amongst players.

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  • I'm going to have to politely disagree with your statement while yes for awhile there was an abundance of hung jury and 1k yard stare load outs overtime the gunsmith changed that and guardians yet expanded their arsenal again when Bungie brought older weapons back from year one. Since then no the load outs have switched time and time again unlike in year one where people "only" kept fatebringer or VoC I don't understand why people say they want this specific trait back but only mention these two guns everytime.

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